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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by ASHISH SHARMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASHISH SHARMA</dc:creator>
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		<description>Dr Mohammad Sidiq- Instead of blaming Indian army why don&#039;t u blame militants ,which don&#039;t have any religion and just keep on killing innocent people .Militants r bloody nor Indian army .Militants r making the life miserable of whole (J&amp;k).They molest the ladies and forced them to marry them.If the people will throw stones ,or any thing on army  then definately they will retaliate.Army jawans r supressed by doing so long duties .....they r  doing even suicides. They r having family sickness.No one wants disturb situation and every one wants happy life . The situation like this will remain continue till the militancy will not be  finished as finished in Punjab.This could only be finished by political will and nothing else.No more discussion please regarding this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Mohammad Sidiq- Instead of blaming Indian army why don&#8217;t u blame militants ,which don&#8217;t have any religion and just keep on killing innocent people .Militants r bloody nor Indian army .Militants r making the life miserable of whole (J&amp;k).They molest the ladies and forced them to marry them.If the people will throw stones ,or any thing on army  then definately they will retaliate.Army jawans r supressed by doing so long duties &#8230;..they r  doing even suicides. They r having family sickness.No one wants disturb situation and every one wants happy life . The situation like this will remain continue till the militancy will not be  finished as finished in Punjab.This could only be finished by political will and nothing else.No more discussion please regarding this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Dr Mohammad Sidiq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Mohammad Sidiq</dc:creator>
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		<description>Mr Ashish,
I told u na that u dnt knw Bloody indian army who jus have made kashmiri&#039;s life miserable.Actually this is not ur fault itz bcoz ur brother or father was not killed unnecesarily by indian army,Ur sisters were not molestated by army men.Thatzy u talk like that.We have suffered this and these deep rooted pain wil go only wen indian army wil be thrown out from pur holy land of kashmir which they are polluting by their Untidy presence.Our kashmir wil be again paradise only when the trators of kashmir wil leave our land.We are jus hoping to see that day..If u wanna c army brutality den bring ur family to kashmir and b a part of same molestation by dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Ashish,<br />
I told u na that u dnt knw Bloody indian army who jus have made kashmiri&#8217;s life miserable.Actually this is not ur fault itz bcoz ur brother or father was not killed unnecesarily by indian army,Ur sisters were not molestated by army men.Thatzy u talk like that.We have suffered this and these deep rooted pain wil go only wen indian army wil be thrown out from pur holy land of kashmir which they are polluting by their Untidy presence.Our kashmir wil be again paradise only when the trators of kashmir wil leave our land.We are jus hoping to see that day..If u wanna c army brutality den bring ur family to kashmir and b a part of same molestation by dem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by ASHISH SHARMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASHISH SHARMA</dc:creator>
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		<description>According to the instruments of partition of India, the rulers of princely states were given the choice to freely accede to either India or Pakistan, or to remain independent. They were, however, advised to accede to the contiguous dominion, taking into consideration the geographical and ethnic issues.

In Kashmir, however, the Maharaja hesitated. The Maharaja, fearing pressure from Pakistan army which entered Kashmir, agreed to join India by signing the Instrument of Accession on 26 October 1947. Kashmir was provisionally accepted into the Indian Union pending a free and impartial plebiscite. This was spelled out in a letter from the Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten, to the Maharaja on 27 October 1947. In the letter, accepting the accession, Mountbatten made it clear that the State would only be incorporated into the Indian Union after a reference had been made to the people of Kashmir.

In the last days of 1948, a ceasefire was agreed under UN auspices; however, since the plebiscite demanded by the UN was never conducted, relations between India and Pakistan soured,[15] and eventually led to two more wars over Kashmir in 1965 and 1999. India has control of about half the area of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir; Pakistan controls a third of the region, the Northern Areas, or historically known as regions of Gilgit and Baltistan; and Pakistan Administered Kashmir. According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, &quot;Although there was a clear Muslim majority in Kashmir before the 1947 partition and its economic, cultural, and geographic contiguity with the Muslim-majority area of the Punjab (in Pakistan) could be convincingly demonstrated, the political developments during and after the partition resulted in a division of the region. Pakistan was left with territory that, although basically Muslim in character, was thinly populated, relatively inaccessible, and economically underdeveloped. The largest Muslim group, situated in the Vale of Kashmir and estimated to number more than half the population of the entire region, lay in Indian-administered territory, with its former outlets via the Jhelum valley route blocked.&quot;[18]

The UN Security Council on 20 January 1948 passed Resolution 39, establishing a special commission to investigate the conflict. Subsequent to the commission&#039;s recommendation, the Security Council ordered in its Resolution 47, passed on 21 April 1948, that the invading Pakistani army retreat from Jammu &amp; Kashmir and that the accession of Kashmir to either India or Pakistan be determined in accordance with a plebiscite to be supervised by the UN. In a string of subsequent resolutions, the Security Council took notice of the continuing failure by India to hold the plebiscite. However, no punitive action against India could be taken by the Security Council because its resolution requiring India to hold a Plebescite was non-binding, and the Pakistani army never left the part of the Kashmir they occupied as required by the Security Council resolution 47. The Government of India holds that the Maharaja signed a document of accession to India October 26, 1947. Pakistan has disputed whether the Maharaja actually signed the accession treaty before Indian troops entered Kashmir. Furthermore, Pakistan claims the Indian government has never produced an original copy of this accession treaty and thus its validity and legality is disputed. However, India has produced the instrument of accession with an original copy image on its website. Alan Campbell-Johnson, the press attache to the Viceroy of India states that &quot;The legality of the accession is beyond doubt.&quot;[citation needed]

The eastern region of the erstwhile princely state of Kashmir has also been beset with a boundary dispute. In the late 19th- and early 20th centuries, although some boundary agreements were signed between Great Britain, Afghanistan and Russia over the northern borders of Kashmir, China never accepted these agreements, and the official Chinese position did not change with the communist takeover in 1949. By the mid-1950s the Chinese army had entered the north-east portion of Ladakh.[18] : &quot;By 1956–57 they had completed a military road through the Aksai Chin area to provide better communication between Xinjiang and western Tibet. India&#039;s belated discovery of this road led to border clashes between the two countries that culminated in the Sino-Indian war of October 1962.&quot;[18] China has occupied Aksai Chin since 1962 and, in addition, an adjoining region, the Trans-Karakoram Tract was ceded by Pakistan to China in 1965.

In 1949, the Indian government obliged Hari Singh to leave Jammu and Kashmir, and yield the government to Sheikh Abdullah, the leader of a popular political party, the National Conference Party. Since then, a bitter enmity has been developed between India and Pakistan and three wars have taken place between them over Kashmir. The growing dispute over Kashmir also lead to the rise of militancy in the state. The year 1989 saw the intensification of conflict in Jammu and Kashmir as Mujahadeens from Afghanistan slowly infiltrated the region following the end of the Soviet-Afghan War the same year. [2]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the instruments of partition of India, the rulers of princely states were given the choice to freely accede to either India or Pakistan, or to remain independent. They were, however, advised to accede to the contiguous dominion, taking into consideration the geographical and ethnic issues.</p>
<p>In Kashmir, however, the Maharaja hesitated. The Maharaja, fearing pressure from Pakistan army which entered Kashmir, agreed to join India by signing the Instrument of Accession on 26 October 1947. Kashmir was provisionally accepted into the Indian Union pending a free and impartial plebiscite. This was spelled out in a letter from the Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten, to the Maharaja on 27 October 1947. In the letter, accepting the accession, Mountbatten made it clear that the State would only be incorporated into the Indian Union after a reference had been made to the people of Kashmir.</p>
<p>In the last days of 1948, a ceasefire was agreed under UN auspices; however, since the plebiscite demanded by the UN was never conducted, relations between India and Pakistan soured,[15] and eventually led to two more wars over Kashmir in 1965 and 1999. India has control of about half the area of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir; Pakistan controls a third of the region, the Northern Areas, or historically known as regions of Gilgit and Baltistan; and Pakistan Administered Kashmir. According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, &#8220;Although there was a clear Muslim majority in Kashmir before the 1947 partition and its economic, cultural, and geographic contiguity with the Muslim-majority area of the Punjab (in Pakistan) could be convincingly demonstrated, the political developments during and after the partition resulted in a division of the region. Pakistan was left with territory that, although basically Muslim in character, was thinly populated, relatively inaccessible, and economically underdeveloped. The largest Muslim group, situated in the Vale of Kashmir and estimated to number more than half the population of the entire region, lay in Indian-administered territory, with its former outlets via the Jhelum valley route blocked.&#8221;[18]</p>
<p>The UN Security Council on 20 January 1948 passed Resolution 39, establishing a special commission to investigate the conflict. Subsequent to the commission&#8217;s recommendation, the Security Council ordered in its Resolution 47, passed on 21 April 1948, that the invading Pakistani army retreat from Jammu &amp; Kashmir and that the accession of Kashmir to either India or Pakistan be determined in accordance with a plebiscite to be supervised by the UN. In a string of subsequent resolutions, the Security Council took notice of the continuing failure by India to hold the plebiscite. However, no punitive action against India could be taken by the Security Council because its resolution requiring India to hold a Plebescite was non-binding, and the Pakistani army never left the part of the Kashmir they occupied as required by the Security Council resolution 47. The Government of India holds that the Maharaja signed a document of accession to India October 26, 1947. Pakistan has disputed whether the Maharaja actually signed the accession treaty before Indian troops entered Kashmir. Furthermore, Pakistan claims the Indian government has never produced an original copy of this accession treaty and thus its validity and legality is disputed. However, India has produced the instrument of accession with an original copy image on its website. Alan Campbell-Johnson, the press attache to the Viceroy of India states that &#8220;The legality of the accession is beyond doubt.&#8221;[citation needed]</p>
<p>The eastern region of the erstwhile princely state of Kashmir has also been beset with a boundary dispute. In the late 19th- and early 20th centuries, although some boundary agreements were signed between Great Britain, Afghanistan and Russia over the northern borders of Kashmir, China never accepted these agreements, and the official Chinese position did not change with the communist takeover in 1949. By the mid-1950s the Chinese army had entered the north-east portion of Ladakh.[18] : &#8220;By 1956–57 they had completed a military road through the Aksai Chin area to provide better communication between Xinjiang and western Tibet. India&#8217;s belated discovery of this road led to border clashes between the two countries that culminated in the Sino-Indian war of October 1962.&#8221;[18] China has occupied Aksai Chin since 1962 and, in addition, an adjoining region, the Trans-Karakoram Tract was ceded by Pakistan to China in 1965.</p>
<p>In 1949, the Indian government obliged Hari Singh to leave Jammu and Kashmir, and yield the government to Sheikh Abdullah, the leader of a popular political party, the National Conference Party. Since then, a bitter enmity has been developed between India and Pakistan and three wars have taken place between them over Kashmir. The growing dispute over Kashmir also lead to the rise of militancy in the state. The year 1989 saw the intensification of conflict in Jammu and Kashmir as Mujahadeens from Afghanistan slowly infiltrated the region following the end of the Soviet-Afghan War the same year. [2]</p>
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		<title>Comment on When a guy gets a facial by PISTIL PRINCESS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PISTIL PRINCESS</dc:creator>
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		<description>ya....tats true...
to be more honest guys r more &quot;look&quot; conscious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya&#8230;.tats true&#8230;<br />
to be more honest guys r more &#8220;look&#8221; conscious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Parviaz Ahmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parviaz Ahmad</dc:creator>
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		<description>Assalamu Alikum
Kashmir: a consensus proposal?

While the process of exploring various “solutions” to Kashmir Issue was initiated soon after the birth of Kashmir “problem” out of the Indian and Pakistani guns in October 1947, till recently the process was confined to a bilateral Indian and Pakistan official framework or in the cases of Dixon and some “secret” talks between Kashmiri leader Sheikh Abdullah and
American officials, to the UN and US circles. Over the past few decades, especially after the uprising in the Indian occupied Kashmir, the process seems to have expanded and proposals are being mushroomed from a wide range of individuals and agencies including Yousaf Bach a veteran Kashmiri from Valley settled in US after working with UN since the birth of Kashmir Problem; Bava Krishan Dev Setti from Jammu who fought hand in hand with other Kashmiris against maharaja system and migrated from Mirpur when Pakistani tribes and troops invaded the State. The Kashmiri organisations that proposed different solutions include National Conference, JKLF, Hurriyat, (by now Peoples League and PDP has also come up with their proposals) All Parties National Alliance, International Kashmir
Alliance , Association of British Kashmiris, Balawirstan (Gilgit-Baltistan) Front etc. Some Western Think Tanks, BBC and South Asia based NGOs have also forwarded various proposals for peaceful resolution of the issue.


The proposals presented so far have some distinguishing features in terms of their
implementation and  out come as some presume Autonomy, others the division on ethnic and/or communal lines and still others independence of the state. However, a close reading of all the suggestions challenges the general and wide spread perception that there is no common ground on which Kashmiris of different viewpoints and India and Pakistan can agree to find a mechanism of solving Kashmir question acceptable to all the contesting parties.
Drawing on various proposals this article tends to illuminate the ground for consensus and proposes a mechanism through which an inclusive, democratic, just and peaceful solution can be achieved for Kashmir issue that is used as one of the major excuses used by the rulers of India-Pakistan and their subordinates in divided state of Kashmir for keeping people apart and building destructive war machines rather than houses, schools, hospitals, roads, factories, in short, lives.

Consensus indicators?


1. Almost all proposals recognise the distinct identity and entity of the State of Jammu and Kashmir by accepting that the problem of Kashmir is a problem of the entire state and not of any particular region of Kashmir .

2. That the problem is to determine the future of this state which implies that problem is not determined as yet. Indian official position is that the entire state belongs to her while Pakistan claims it has hers and Kashmiris are generally divided between the accession to either India or Pakistan and independence.

3. There also seems a general agreement, at least, amongst Kashmiris that for any solution oriented exercise to be meaningful the involvement of Kashmiri peoples is indispensable.

3. Almost all external and internal proposals recognise the ethnic diversity of the State and
suggest for the diversity to be incorporated in the processes to develop any mechanisms for a solution.

4. The view that Kashmir is primarily a political problem that has to be addressed through a political mechanism also seems shared by various forces involved
in addressing the issue.

5. It is largely recognised in India , Pakistan and internationally that the movement in Kashmir Valley has not been instigated from outside. However, it is also widely perceived that foreign involvement had been there for various interests that not necessarily have been compatible with the interests of the peoples of the State.

6. It is well documented and acknowledged fact that the Human Rights are widely violated by the Indian armed forces in the Indian Administered Kashmir and that the first and foremost priority for engaging the peoples of Kashmir in any peace process is to end all human rights violations in the Indian Occupied Kashmir.

7. The fact that a large number of political activists and civilians are kept in Indian prisons without substantial grounds or in some cases without any charges is also acknowledged. Some who were charged and tried are kept in even after they have spent their tariffs. Zahoor Butt is kept in for no legal reasons. In the case of Maqbool Bhatt, he is imprisoned even twenty six years after his execution on 11th February 1984 as his body was not
handed over to his family and remains buried in the courtyard of Tihaar prison. Afzal Guru is another example of manipulating investigative and judicial systems by the Indian state.

8. Human Rights are also violated by some of the militant activities carried out by several groups fighting the Indian occupation.

9. Human Rights of the Kashmiris under Pakistani occupied Kashmir including Gilgit Baltistan are also not respected by the Pakistani governments in these parts of the State. Pro-independence politics is suppressed in AJK and Gilgit Baltistam. Open violation of State Subject, restrictions on the participation in politics and employment of pro-independence Kashmiris are also the other most identifiable and quantifiable examples.

10. There is also an expressed desire that peoples of Kashmir State must have right to free
movement, socio-economic, cultural and political interaction and rights of free speech and association that have to be assured in all parts of the state.

11. At present the right of the peoples of the State to participate freely without any restrictions in the existing administrations at Gilgit, Muzaffarabad and Srinagar-Jammu is not fully recognised and respected.

12. The wishes repeatedly expressed by the people of Jammu and Ladakh for their regional assemblies similar to those in Valley, Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan carry significant support amongst the Kashmiris across the division line as well as amongst Indians and
Pakistanis.

13. It is also very obvious that none of the existing political parties, alliances or assemblies can claim as true representatives of the state in its entirety.

14. An estimated three million strong Kashmiri Diaspora in India , Pakistan , Middle East, Europe, Britain and USA and Canada has multiple links and attachments with, and stakes in, the affairs of their “homeland” and can play positive and constructive role in finding the
solution as well as in the development of the State.

This list of course is not exhaustive and more possibilities for a broader consensus can be traced in the proposals. However, the most significant task facing the peoples of the divided State of Kashmir at present is whether a mechanism can be developed through which a wider consensus and state wide representation can be achieved? For India and Pakistan
are internationally recognised states with relatively established systems of electing  representative governments but no such system is currently available to the peoples of Kashmir for the entire state.

 The State is currently divided, since 1947, into three administrative structures namely
Gilgit-Baltistan Council (so called Northern Areas Council); “ Jammu and Kashmir ” Assembly and “Azad” Kashmir Assembly. There is also a Council in Ladakh. While these assemblies are elected with varying degrees of people participation, none of these is representative of the people who they claim to represent even in the modest sense. Similarly, while none of the dozens of political groups operating outside of the “official political institutions” of the State
represents the entire state, they actually are not allowed to operate in the entire state. Only
those parties have access to mainstream politics and employment that have developed under or are product of the Indian and Pakistani States’ civil and military machineries operating in the State or those who accept the status quo and state’s accession to India and
Pakistan on each side of the division line.

Suggestions

1. Against this background the first and foremost requirement for moving towards any meaningful solution to the problem, as suggested in several proposals, is to open the traditional travel routes between all regions of the divided state namely Gilgit, Hunza, Yasin,Baltistan, Ladakh, ‘Azad’ Kashmir, Jammu, and Kashmir Valley. In terms of travelling documents, the State Subject to be issued in a card form by the regional or district officers seems the best option available. Alternatively, the regional or district offices perhaps could be authorised to issue other agreed documents.

At this point India and Pakistan should mutually announce the time period for removing their armies away from the populated areas across the division line and in case of India from the towns and cities of the Indian occupied Kashmir (IOK) or as it called by the Indian officials“The Jammu and Kashmir ”.

2. All personnel deputed or appointed by the Indian and Pakistani governments (also commonly called lent officers) in Kashmiri administration should also vacate their positions for the Kashmiri officers.

3. The next step should be the release of all political prisoners in all parts of the State along
with the transfer of Maqbool Bhatt’s body from Tihar prison Delhi to Kashmir and the release of Afzal Guru, who is evidently wrongly implicated to appease the extremist Hindu forces inside India .

4. All restrictions currently imposed on the freedom of press and association in the
Indian and Pakistani administered Kashmir including Gilgit-Baltistan, should be lifted at once followed by necessary constitutional amendments in all three existing political setups in Gilgit, Muzzafarabad and Srinagar-Jammu to make these assemblies fully inclusive and democratic by lifting restrictions on Pro independence parties. At the same time steps
should be taken to recognise the demands by Jammu and Ladakhi people for regional assemblies. However, here consultation must be taken place with Ladakhi and Baltis because there is certainly a strong relationship between the two regions currently under the control of different states. In other words before holding elections free interaction is a
useful way of giving people opportunities to discuss these issues.

5. Date for the elections of all regional assemblies should be announced with inclusive right of all peoples of the State to participate in elections. To make sure that elections are transparent, free and fair the international observers and media should be given open access to all parts of the State. The regional assemblies should have mandate for policies and strategies on regional affairs including local resources, development, trade and investment etc.

6. After an agreed period similarly inclusive, democratic, fair and free elections should be held for the State Assembly. In order to make this assembly representative of the entire state, seats should be distributed to all five regions according to the population of each region. One way of electing the representations from Kashmir diaspora in India and Pakistan and in USA , Europe, Britain and Middle East can be to allocate certain seats for diaspora
according to their population.
This State Assembly should be recognised as the representative government of the State with the mandate to represent Kashmiris in all negotiations regarding the future status of Kashmir with India and Pakistan and if and when Kashmiri representation is needed at international forums.

While there is certainly a room for improvisation in the plan, it seemingly incorporates almost all of the proposals presented so far, internally and externally, to move forward towards a peaceful, democratic, just and inclusive mechanism of resolving Kashmir question. This proposal while does not rule out any outcome, it gives locally elected assemblies to all regions with the potential to stay beyond the final determination of the future status of the state whatever that might be.

The proposal primarily speaks to the interested individuals and groups in Kashmir – Valley, Ladakh, Jammu , “Azad” Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan and the diaspora. For after all it is the peoples of Kashmir who although form the primary party in Kashmir “dispute” are not represented in the ongoing process of negotiating Kashmir and are also deprived of any mechanism to elect the representative voice of Kashmir State. Critical feedback from wider viewers and readers would also be of great value for the proposal to be developed or improvised further.  It is however clearly understood that without the support of peoples in and from all parts of the divided state of Kashmir this  proposal is going to become just another addition in the growing long list of such documents.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;UNITED JAMMU KASHMIR FREE JAMMU KASHMIR&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
Umer saab jag jao, Apki neend kab tote gi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu Alikum<br />
Kashmir: a consensus proposal?</p>
<p>While the process of exploring various “solutions” to Kashmir Issue was initiated soon after the birth of Kashmir “problem” out of the Indian and Pakistani guns in October 1947, till recently the process was confined to a bilateral Indian and Pakistan official framework or in the cases of Dixon and some “secret” talks between Kashmiri leader Sheikh Abdullah and<br />
American officials, to the UN and US circles. Over the past few decades, especially after the uprising in the Indian occupied Kashmir, the process seems to have expanded and proposals are being mushroomed from a wide range of individuals and agencies including Yousaf Bach a veteran Kashmiri from Valley settled in US after working with UN since the birth of Kashmir Problem; Bava Krishan Dev Setti from Jammu who fought hand in hand with other Kashmiris against maharaja system and migrated from Mirpur when Pakistani tribes and troops invaded the State. The Kashmiri organisations that proposed different solutions include National Conference, JKLF, Hurriyat, (by now Peoples League and PDP has also come up with their proposals) All Parties National Alliance, International Kashmir<br />
Alliance , Association of British Kashmiris, Balawirstan (Gilgit-Baltistan) Front etc. Some Western Think Tanks, BBC and South Asia based NGOs have also forwarded various proposals for peaceful resolution of the issue.</p>
<p>The proposals presented so far have some distinguishing features in terms of their<br />
implementation and  out come as some presume Autonomy, others the division on ethnic and/or communal lines and still others independence of the state. However, a close reading of all the suggestions challenges the general and wide spread perception that there is no common ground on which Kashmiris of different viewpoints and India and Pakistan can agree to find a mechanism of solving Kashmir question acceptable to all the contesting parties.<br />
Drawing on various proposals this article tends to illuminate the ground for consensus and proposes a mechanism through which an inclusive, democratic, just and peaceful solution can be achieved for Kashmir issue that is used as one of the major excuses used by the rulers of India-Pakistan and their subordinates in divided state of Kashmir for keeping people apart and building destructive war machines rather than houses, schools, hospitals, roads, factories, in short, lives.</p>
<p>Consensus indicators?</p>
<p>1. Almost all proposals recognise the distinct identity and entity of the State of Jammu and Kashmir by accepting that the problem of Kashmir is a problem of the entire state and not of any particular region of Kashmir .</p>
<p>2. That the problem is to determine the future of this state which implies that problem is not determined as yet. Indian official position is that the entire state belongs to her while Pakistan claims it has hers and Kashmiris are generally divided between the accession to either India or Pakistan and independence.</p>
<p>3. There also seems a general agreement, at least, amongst Kashmiris that for any solution oriented exercise to be meaningful the involvement of Kashmiri peoples is indispensable.</p>
<p>3. Almost all external and internal proposals recognise the ethnic diversity of the State and<br />
suggest for the diversity to be incorporated in the processes to develop any mechanisms for a solution.</p>
<p>4. The view that Kashmir is primarily a political problem that has to be addressed through a political mechanism also seems shared by various forces involved<br />
in addressing the issue.</p>
<p>5. It is largely recognised in India , Pakistan and internationally that the movement in Kashmir Valley has not been instigated from outside. However, it is also widely perceived that foreign involvement had been there for various interests that not necessarily have been compatible with the interests of the peoples of the State.</p>
<p>6. It is well documented and acknowledged fact that the Human Rights are widely violated by the Indian armed forces in the Indian Administered Kashmir and that the first and foremost priority for engaging the peoples of Kashmir in any peace process is to end all human rights violations in the Indian Occupied Kashmir.</p>
<p>7. The fact that a large number of political activists and civilians are kept in Indian prisons without substantial grounds or in some cases without any charges is also acknowledged. Some who were charged and tried are kept in even after they have spent their tariffs. Zahoor Butt is kept in for no legal reasons. In the case of Maqbool Bhatt, he is imprisoned even twenty six years after his execution on 11th February 1984 as his body was not<br />
handed over to his family and remains buried in the courtyard of Tihaar prison. Afzal Guru is another example of manipulating investigative and judicial systems by the Indian state.</p>
<p>8. Human Rights are also violated by some of the militant activities carried out by several groups fighting the Indian occupation.</p>
<p>9. Human Rights of the Kashmiris under Pakistani occupied Kashmir including Gilgit Baltistan are also not respected by the Pakistani governments in these parts of the State. Pro-independence politics is suppressed in AJK and Gilgit Baltistam. Open violation of State Subject, restrictions on the participation in politics and employment of pro-independence Kashmiris are also the other most identifiable and quantifiable examples.</p>
<p>10. There is also an expressed desire that peoples of Kashmir State must have right to free<br />
movement, socio-economic, cultural and political interaction and rights of free speech and association that have to be assured in all parts of the state.</p>
<p>11. At present the right of the peoples of the State to participate freely without any restrictions in the existing administrations at Gilgit, Muzaffarabad and Srinagar-Jammu is not fully recognised and respected.</p>
<p>12. The wishes repeatedly expressed by the people of Jammu and Ladakh for their regional assemblies similar to those in Valley, Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan carry significant support amongst the Kashmiris across the division line as well as amongst Indians and<br />
Pakistanis.</p>
<p>13. It is also very obvious that none of the existing political parties, alliances or assemblies can claim as true representatives of the state in its entirety.</p>
<p>14. An estimated three million strong Kashmiri Diaspora in India , Pakistan , Middle East, Europe, Britain and USA and Canada has multiple links and attachments with, and stakes in, the affairs of their “homeland” and can play positive and constructive role in finding the<br />
solution as well as in the development of the State.</p>
<p>This list of course is not exhaustive and more possibilities for a broader consensus can be traced in the proposals. However, the most significant task facing the peoples of the divided State of Kashmir at present is whether a mechanism can be developed through which a wider consensus and state wide representation can be achieved? For India and Pakistan<br />
are internationally recognised states with relatively established systems of electing  representative governments but no such system is currently available to the peoples of Kashmir for the entire state.</p>
<p> The State is currently divided, since 1947, into three administrative structures namely<br />
Gilgit-Baltistan Council (so called Northern Areas Council); “ Jammu and Kashmir ” Assembly and “Azad” Kashmir Assembly. There is also a Council in Ladakh. While these assemblies are elected with varying degrees of people participation, none of these is representative of the people who they claim to represent even in the modest sense. Similarly, while none of the dozens of political groups operating outside of the “official political institutions” of the State<br />
represents the entire state, they actually are not allowed to operate in the entire state. Only<br />
those parties have access to mainstream politics and employment that have developed under or are product of the Indian and Pakistani States’ civil and military machineries operating in the State or those who accept the status quo and state’s accession to India and<br />
Pakistan on each side of the division line.</p>
<p>Suggestions</p>
<p>1. Against this background the first and foremost requirement for moving towards any meaningful solution to the problem, as suggested in several proposals, is to open the traditional travel routes between all regions of the divided state namely Gilgit, Hunza, Yasin,Baltistan, Ladakh, ‘Azad’ Kashmir, Jammu, and Kashmir Valley. In terms of travelling documents, the State Subject to be issued in a card form by the regional or district officers seems the best option available. Alternatively, the regional or district offices perhaps could be authorised to issue other agreed documents.</p>
<p>At this point India and Pakistan should mutually announce the time period for removing their armies away from the populated areas across the division line and in case of India from the towns and cities of the Indian occupied Kashmir (IOK) or as it called by the Indian officials“The Jammu and Kashmir ”.</p>
<p>2. All personnel deputed or appointed by the Indian and Pakistani governments (also commonly called lent officers) in Kashmiri administration should also vacate their positions for the Kashmiri officers.</p>
<p>3. The next step should be the release of all political prisoners in all parts of the State along<br />
with the transfer of Maqbool Bhatt’s body from Tihar prison Delhi to Kashmir and the release of Afzal Guru, who is evidently wrongly implicated to appease the extremist Hindu forces inside India .</p>
<p>4. All restrictions currently imposed on the freedom of press and association in the<br />
Indian and Pakistani administered Kashmir including Gilgit-Baltistan, should be lifted at once followed by necessary constitutional amendments in all three existing political setups in Gilgit, Muzzafarabad and Srinagar-Jammu to make these assemblies fully inclusive and democratic by lifting restrictions on Pro independence parties. At the same time steps<br />
should be taken to recognise the demands by Jammu and Ladakhi people for regional assemblies. However, here consultation must be taken place with Ladakhi and Baltis because there is certainly a strong relationship between the two regions currently under the control of different states. In other words before holding elections free interaction is a<br />
useful way of giving people opportunities to discuss these issues.</p>
<p>5. Date for the elections of all regional assemblies should be announced with inclusive right of all peoples of the State to participate in elections. To make sure that elections are transparent, free and fair the international observers and media should be given open access to all parts of the State. The regional assemblies should have mandate for policies and strategies on regional affairs including local resources, development, trade and investment etc.</p>
<p>6. After an agreed period similarly inclusive, democratic, fair and free elections should be held for the State Assembly. In order to make this assembly representative of the entire state, seats should be distributed to all five regions according to the population of each region. One way of electing the representations from Kashmir diaspora in India and Pakistan and in USA , Europe, Britain and Middle East can be to allocate certain seats for diaspora<br />
according to their population.<br />
This State Assembly should be recognised as the representative government of the State with the mandate to represent Kashmiris in all negotiations regarding the future status of Kashmir with India and Pakistan and if and when Kashmiri representation is needed at international forums.</p>
<p>While there is certainly a room for improvisation in the plan, it seemingly incorporates almost all of the proposals presented so far, internally and externally, to move forward towards a peaceful, democratic, just and inclusive mechanism of resolving Kashmir question. This proposal while does not rule out any outcome, it gives locally elected assemblies to all regions with the potential to stay beyond the final determination of the future status of the state whatever that might be.</p>
<p>The proposal primarily speaks to the interested individuals and groups in Kashmir – Valley, Ladakh, Jammu , “Azad” Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan and the diaspora. For after all it is the peoples of Kashmir who although form the primary party in Kashmir “dispute” are not represented in the ongoing process of negotiating Kashmir and are also deprived of any mechanism to elect the representative voice of Kashmir State. Critical feedback from wider viewers and readers would also be of great value for the proposal to be developed or improvised further.  It is however clearly understood that without the support of peoples in and from all parts of the divided state of Kashmir this  proposal is going to become just another addition in the growing long list of such documents.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;UNITED JAMMU KASHMIR FREE JAMMU KASHMIR&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;<br />
Umer saab jag jao, Apki neend kab tote gi.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Arvind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical questions asked to Indians in Abroad


To help the new wave of incoming students from India, here are the proper answers to awkward questions asked everyday:

Q.  What does that red dot on women&#039;s forehead mean?
A.  Well, in ancient times, Indian men used to practice archery skills by target practicing by aiming at their wife&#039;s red dot. In fact, that is one of the reasons why they had many wives. You see, once they mastered the art of archery and hit the target....

Q.  You&#039;re from India?  I have read so much about the country.  All the wonderful places, the forests, the snake charmers, the elephants. Do you still use elephants for transportation?
A.  Absolutely.  In fact we used to have our own elephant in our  house.  But later, we started participating in elephant-ride sharing schemes with our neighbors, to save the air.  You see  elephants have an &quot;emissions&quot; problem.....

Q.  Does India have cars?
A.  No.  We ride elephants to work.  The government is trying to encourage ride-sharing schemes.

Q.  Does India have TV?
A.  No.  We only have cable.

Q.  Are all Indians vegetarian?
A.  Yes.  Even tigers are vegetarian in India.

Q.  How come you speak English so well?
A.  You see when the British were ruling India,they employed Indians as servants.  It took too long for the Indians to learn English. So the British isolated an &quot;English-language&quot; gene and infused  their servants&#039; babies with it and since then all babies born are born speaking English.

Q.  Are you a Hindi?
A.  Yes.  I am spoken everyday in Northern India.

Q.  Do you speak Hindu?
A.  Yes,  I also speak Jewish, Islam and Christianity.

Q.  Is it true that everyone there is very corrupt?
A.  Yes, in fact, I had to bribe my parents so that they would let me go to school.

Q.  India is very hot, isn&#039;t it?
A.  It is so hot there that all the water boils spontaneously.That is why tea is such a popular drink in India.

Q.  Are there any business companies in India?
A.  No. All Indians live on the Gandhian prinicples of self-sufficiency. We all make our own clothes and grow our own food. That is why  you see all these thin skinny Indians -- it is is a lot of hard work.


Q.  India is such a religious place.  Do you meditate regularly?
A.  Yes, sometimes I meditate for weeks without food and drink.  But it is difficult to keep my job, because I have to miss work  when I meditate like that.  But the bosses there do the same thing. That is why things are so inefficient there.

Q.  I saw on TV that people there walk on burning coals. Why do they do that?
A.  We don&#039;t have shoes.  So we burn the botton of our feet to make it hard so that we can walk.

Q.  Why do you sometimes wear Indian clothes to work?
A.  I prefer it to coming naked.</description>
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<p>To help the new wave of incoming students from India, here are the proper answers to awkward questions asked everyday:</p>
<p>Q.  What does that red dot on women&#8217;s forehead mean?<br />
A.  Well, in ancient times, Indian men used to practice archery skills by target practicing by aiming at their wife&#8217;s red dot. In fact, that is one of the reasons why they had many wives. You see, once they mastered the art of archery and hit the target&#8230;.</p>
<p>Q.  You&#8217;re from India?  I have read so much about the country.  All the wonderful places, the forests, the snake charmers, the elephants. Do you still use elephants for transportation?<br />
A.  Absolutely.  In fact we used to have our own elephant in our  house.  But later, we started participating in elephant-ride sharing schemes with our neighbors, to save the air.  You see  elephants have an &#8220;emissions&#8221; problem&#8230;..</p>
<p>Q.  Does India have cars?<br />
A.  No.  We ride elephants to work.  The government is trying to encourage ride-sharing schemes.</p>
<p>Q.  Does India have TV?<br />
A.  No.  We only have cable.</p>
<p>Q.  Are all Indians vegetarian?<br />
A.  Yes.  Even tigers are vegetarian in India.</p>
<p>Q.  How come you speak English so well?<br />
A.  You see when the British were ruling India,they employed Indians as servants.  It took too long for the Indians to learn English. So the British isolated an &#8220;English-language&#8221; gene and infused  their servants&#8217; babies with it and since then all babies born are born speaking English.</p>
<p>Q.  Are you a Hindi?<br />
A.  Yes.  I am spoken everyday in Northern India.</p>
<p>Q.  Do you speak Hindu?<br />
A.  Yes,  I also speak Jewish, Islam and Christianity.</p>
<p>Q.  Is it true that everyone there is very corrupt?<br />
A.  Yes, in fact, I had to bribe my parents so that they would let me go to school.</p>
<p>Q.  India is very hot, isn&#8217;t it?<br />
A.  It is so hot there that all the water boils spontaneously.That is why tea is such a popular drink in India.</p>
<p>Q.  Are there any business companies in India?<br />
A.  No. All Indians live on the Gandhian prinicples of self-sufficiency. We all make our own clothes and grow our own food. That is why  you see all these thin skinny Indians &#8212; it is is a lot of hard work.</p>
<p>Q.  India is such a religious place.  Do you meditate regularly?<br />
A.  Yes, sometimes I meditate for weeks without food and drink.  But it is difficult to keep my job, because I have to miss work  when I meditate like that.  But the bosses there do the same thing. That is why things are so inefficient there.</p>
<p>Q.  I saw on TV that people there walk on burning coals. Why do they do that?<br />
A.  We don&#8217;t have shoes.  So we burn the botton of our feet to make it hard so that we can walk.</p>
<p>Q.  Why do you sometimes wear Indian clothes to work?<br />
A.  I prefer it to coming naked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Parviaz Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://www.blogbharti.com/sudipta/india/omar-abdullas-blog/comment-page-5/#comment-17627</link>
		<dc:creator>Parviaz Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely we are responcible for all this misery, killings....
because we want peace, prosperity and freedom.
Untill we sacrify our lives, peace etc we will never get the peace we want, harmony for which we search, that all is hidden in independence from india and pakistan.
We have to fight, offer our lives, property everything in order to acheive that freedom and we will, untill that.
U also want peace but i wonder what kind of peace, they are ruling our state from 62 years and more, and were not succesful in crushing the freedom movement and never will they, Now time has come, they have to leave now, for ever and ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely we are responcible for all this misery, killings&#8230;.<br />
because we want peace, prosperity and freedom.<br />
Untill we sacrify our lives, peace etc we will never get the peace we want, harmony for which we search, that all is hidden in independence from india and pakistan.<br />
We have to fight, offer our lives, property everything in order to acheive that freedom and we will, untill that.<br />
U also want peace but i wonder what kind of peace, they are ruling our state from 62 years and more, and were not succesful in crushing the freedom movement and never will they, Now time has come, they have to leave now, for ever and ever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Hindi is a North Indian Language&#8217; by CBE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,
        I am here to share some of opinions about our Nation and its development,

1. First, We have to see the formation of nation, the so called the Union of India. Union of India was formed by uniting Many provinces after independence, so that we will be able to tackle any foreign attacks in future. So it is as clear as water each and province have their own distintive langauge which they love very much. So for example, Hindi or English is a foreign language for a marati person. So we cant impose either hindi, tamil, telugu or any other language as our National language. Now coming to the official language, English should be given the preference bcoz of the following reasons: As English is the global language for ecocnomy development as it is used in most of the countries, The other reason is Despite Hindi is the langauge which is more familiar in our country, it is not widely spread like English in all the states of India, for example, say most of the UP people know Hindi very well, but most of the people from south and northeast dont understand Hindi(but they can understand English a bit). 

2. Next if we see abouth the Nation development, we should not keep on speaking the faults or issues between the province. We should work as a group to overcome this. we can raise as a whole. So it is better to learn two languages for our development.
  A. The first language should be our mother tongue or substituted by the regional language or hindi if the person is not been brought up in his own native state( for example, My native state is Tamilnadu but was brought up in Andhra pradesh, so I learnt only Hindi).
  B. The Second language is the connecting language. My individual preference is English bcoz of the various reasons stated earlier.

3. I want to share with you about the mostly developed nations in Asia say Japan, South Korea, Singapore. All this nations used one language to develop themselves and now they have reached the heights, bcoz always it is easy to understand and implement if mother tongue is used. Say Japan and south korea used their mother tongue. But to the surprise Singapore being a majorly mandarin speaking country, The connecting language is English as there are 4 official languages in Singapore(as Singapore is very small country with 4 million people 4 official languages are more for a small state). The nice thing abt the Singapore ppl is a Mandarin speaking person does not expect a malay speaking person to communicate with him in mandarin but they use English and they live in harmony and peace. So this shows that even for a small country it is difficult to impose their native language for all. 
              Think about India which is having 1 billion people. It is better not to impose 3 languages for all which will lead to lots of issues.
2008 stats:

Japan GDP is around 4 Trillion for 127 million population( Population as same of UP state)
S.Korea GDP is around 0.9 Trillion for 50 million population
Singapore GDP is around 0.18 Trillion for 5 million population

Our Indian Nation GDP is around 1.2 Trillion for 1.2 billion population

see the difference, do u think it is their intelligence no its their unity which made developed them to such an extent(most of this countries got independence or started developing from 1950 onwards only)
 So think accordingly and start acting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

4. The importance of English language is now been felt by the nations like Japan and South Korea and they started learning it. so My vote is for English. But I am not imposing English on all but for the various reasons stated earlier it is better to use it.

 Thanks for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,<br />
        I am here to share some of opinions about our Nation and its development,</p>
<p>1. First, We have to see the formation of nation, the so called the Union of India. Union of India was formed by uniting Many provinces after independence, so that we will be able to tackle any foreign attacks in future. So it is as clear as water each and province have their own distintive langauge which they love very much. So for example, Hindi or English is a foreign language for a marati person. So we cant impose either hindi, tamil, telugu or any other language as our National language. Now coming to the official language, English should be given the preference bcoz of the following reasons: As English is the global language for ecocnomy development as it is used in most of the countries, The other reason is Despite Hindi is the langauge which is more familiar in our country, it is not widely spread like English in all the states of India, for example, say most of the UP people know Hindi very well, but most of the people from south and northeast dont understand Hindi(but they can understand English a bit). </p>
<p>2. Next if we see abouth the Nation development, we should not keep on speaking the faults or issues between the province. We should work as a group to overcome this. we can raise as a whole. So it is better to learn two languages for our development.<br />
  A. The first language should be our mother tongue or substituted by the regional language or hindi if the person is not been brought up in his own native state( for example, My native state is Tamilnadu but was brought up in Andhra pradesh, so I learnt only Hindi).<br />
  B. The Second language is the connecting language. My individual preference is English bcoz of the various reasons stated earlier.</p>
<p>3. I want to share with you about the mostly developed nations in Asia say Japan, South Korea, Singapore. All this nations used one language to develop themselves and now they have reached the heights, bcoz always it is easy to understand and implement if mother tongue is used. Say Japan and south korea used their mother tongue. But to the surprise Singapore being a majorly mandarin speaking country, The connecting language is English as there are 4 official languages in Singapore(as Singapore is very small country with 4 million people 4 official languages are more for a small state). The nice thing abt the Singapore ppl is a Mandarin speaking person does not expect a malay speaking person to communicate with him in mandarin but they use English and they live in harmony and peace. So this shows that even for a small country it is difficult to impose their native language for all.<br />
              Think about India which is having 1 billion people. It is better not to impose 3 languages for all which will lead to lots of issues.<br />
2008 stats:</p>
<p>Japan GDP is around 4 Trillion for 127 million population( Population as same of UP state)<br />
S.Korea GDP is around 0.9 Trillion for 50 million population<br />
Singapore GDP is around 0.18 Trillion for 5 million population</p>
<p>Our Indian Nation GDP is around 1.2 Trillion for 1.2 billion population</p>
<p>see the difference, do u think it is their intelligence no its their unity which made developed them to such an extent(most of this countries got independence or started developing from 1950 onwards only)<br />
 So think accordingly and start acting.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)</a></p>
<p>4. The importance of English language is now been felt by the nations like Japan and South Korea and they started learning it. so My vote is for English. But I am not imposing English on all but for the various reasons stated earlier it is better to use it.</p>
<p> Thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by ASHISH SHARMA</title>
		<link>http://www.blogbharti.com/sudipta/india/omar-abdullas-blog/comment-page-5/#comment-17625</link>
		<dc:creator>ASHISH SHARMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello ,
  Kashmir is the part of India and will always remain like this.....No one can change demography....and kindly  Don&#039;t blame Indian army for any thing . We know Indian army very well and abt J&amp;k police they r not well equiped &amp; well trained too. So they can&#039;t do anything to save lives.We don&#039;t know wat is kashmir and wat is Jammu. we only Know (J&amp;k) .....which is part of India from which we represent our selves and don&#039;t think that Jammmu people  share same ideologies of freedom like  people in Kashmir. People from Jammu don&#039;t want freedom .We want to remain with our country India.It&#039;s ur personal ideology and just keep it wid u. The people from Jammu want&#039;s the development in whole (J&amp;k)and in J&amp;K ladhakh also comes.
                     Todays not only kashmiri youth wants peace and employment but also Jammmu youth wants but this can happen with a political will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello ,<br />
  Kashmir is the part of India and will always remain like this&#8230;..No one can change demography&#8230;.and kindly  Don&#8217;t blame Indian army for any thing . We know Indian army very well and abt J&amp;k police they r not well equiped &amp; well trained too. So they can&#8217;t do anything to save lives.We don&#8217;t know wat is kashmir and wat is Jammu. we only Know (J&amp;k) &#8230;..which is part of India from which we represent our selves and don&#8217;t think that Jammmu people  share same ideologies of freedom like  people in Kashmir. People from Jammu don&#8217;t want freedom .We want to remain with our country India.It&#8217;s ur personal ideology and just keep it wid u. The people from Jammu want&#8217;s the development in whole (J&amp;k)and in J&amp;K ladhakh also comes.<br />
                     Todays not only kashmiri youth wants peace and employment but also Jammmu youth wants but this can happen with a political will.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Arvind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadiq: I am in complete disagreement to your thought process, so i am quitting from this discussion which is going to turn into  some heated argument.
God Bless You. You live with your ideology and let me be happy without any political  ideology.
No more discussion please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadiq: I am in complete disagreement to your thought process, so i am quitting from this discussion which is going to turn into  some heated argument.<br />
God Bless You. You live with your ideology and let me be happy without any political  ideology.<br />
No more discussion please.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Parviaz Ahmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parviaz Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blessed child born to lucky parents of a Khan family of Ashtangoo Bandipore grew up to be the favorite of his family, life of his friend circle and king of his own world, traveling the untrodden paths of life, this carefree brat was never bound to the silly rules of this materialistic world and lived by his own will loving the freedom and joy of his beautiful world of satisfaction and excitement. No one ever imagined even in a dream, that this spoilt lad breathing in his own blissful world would one day convert into a committed soldier, leaving the luxuries of world for the cause of liberation of the suppressed people of his motherland and even present the most precious thing, his life for his love for the sake of his creator. He first lived his own contentment and felt that he was the happiest person on earth but when he opened his eyes and saw around, the world looked quite black filled with cries of agony, so at last this bird felt the suffocation of cage and understood the atmosphere around, watching the face of real life in Kashmir and decided to choose the way of rising against suppression and occupation by joining the freedom fighters, this son of mother Kashmir proved the temperature of his young blood and stepped into the ranks of Hizbul Mujahideen in 1989 and fought till his last breath for the peace of his people caged in the traps of brutality and cruel grasp of tyranny. The lad is Shaheed Manzoor Ahmed Khan and his love was Kashmir. He was the pride of Ha Meem, the crown of his family, the peace of his company and a loving father for me. I never saw that smiling face again after March 7, 1997 lying on a bed on the shoulders of countless people, roaring for his bravery, jumping overhead to get a glimpse of the king. But I don’t miss my father anymore, yes! from last two yeas I never missed him because you don’t miss the people who are always around you, I see him everyday in the eyes of every youth of Kashmir , I saw him in the eyes of Wamiq , Zahid, the ten months old infant from Baramullah. My father loves to get martyred again and again and this time he crossed the limits of patience and achieved the honor at the age of just ten months.

The blood is spilling its color and the light is reflecting it beautifully as invested blood never goes vain, last time I had asked my people to choose among the two options, either to respect the martyrdoms and lead the movement to a meaningful conclusion or to betray the blood , but my people proved to be real freedom lovers and have bounced back strongly boiling their vasculature to burn the basics of their suppressor, neo generation warriors  with the most ancient weapons have attracted bunches of opinions in recent few months, some calling them the frustrated jobless people, some terming them as crazy violent kids and some even called them terrorists working for money but their message is loud and clear that they are not throwing stones but their anger and no one can stop them now because they have killed their fear already before setting their feet in the streets of the most beautiful prison of world where freedom and death are now synonyms for these sons of ailing mother, preferring to catch a bullet of freedom in their chest , than a cricket ball of imprisonment in their fist.

Let me share an event of my life with you; Once in a beautiful summer day while walking through the lush green fields of my ancestral area I met an innocent friend, it was a little boy with a mask of anger on his face sitting on the bank of Zanager canal, I stopped and sat down with him but he was buy in pelting pebbles in the canal with his full tiny muscle power and blasting the innocent anger to the flowing water of huge canal. I asked him the reason of his act but he didn’t replied as he was not interested in talking to anyone but I again enquired and with a sight of annoyance he looked at me and said,” this bad canal took my kite while I was playing with it, it fell in its water and flowed down the canal.” That naive angel made me smile and I asked him, what favor will the stone throwing do you in getting your kite back, he turned to me and looked like the mercury of his anger went bit down and he said,” it gives me satisfaction, my heart relaxes when I see my stone shaking the water of canal and making ripples on its face”.

The child was innocent , we too are innocent, the canal didn’t broke the law of nature but it was guilty for the little boy as he had lost his kite, now what about us,

We lost thousands of dear ones not the kites.

And our suppressor breaking the every single rule of Human rights.

HOW COME WE DON’T PELT STONES??

For my father and the people who gave their lives I say:

They lost a lot but what they earned is priceless

They dreamt a dream which was their destiny but serpents came on them,   betrayed and ruined their cause. For sure they will be rewarded, let the people know we are their successors and we are their followers, world will see so will the enemy, end of tyrants is hell so we are the one who will send them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blessed child born to lucky parents of a Khan family of Ashtangoo Bandipore grew up to be the favorite of his family, life of his friend circle and king of his own world, traveling the untrodden paths of life, this carefree brat was never bound to the silly rules of this materialistic world and lived by his own will loving the freedom and joy of his beautiful world of satisfaction and excitement. No one ever imagined even in a dream, that this spoilt lad breathing in his own blissful world would one day convert into a committed soldier, leaving the luxuries of world for the cause of liberation of the suppressed people of his motherland and even present the most precious thing, his life for his love for the sake of his creator. He first lived his own contentment and felt that he was the happiest person on earth but when he opened his eyes and saw around, the world looked quite black filled with cries of agony, so at last this bird felt the suffocation of cage and understood the atmosphere around, watching the face of real life in Kashmir and decided to choose the way of rising against suppression and occupation by joining the freedom fighters, this son of mother Kashmir proved the temperature of his young blood and stepped into the ranks of Hizbul Mujahideen in 1989 and fought till his last breath for the peace of his people caged in the traps of brutality and cruel grasp of tyranny. The lad is Shaheed Manzoor Ahmed Khan and his love was Kashmir. He was the pride of Ha Meem, the crown of his family, the peace of his company and a loving father for me. I never saw that smiling face again after March 7, 1997 lying on a bed on the shoulders of countless people, roaring for his bravery, jumping overhead to get a glimpse of the king. But I don’t miss my father anymore, yes! from last two yeas I never missed him because you don’t miss the people who are always around you, I see him everyday in the eyes of every youth of Kashmir , I saw him in the eyes of Wamiq , Zahid, the ten months old infant from Baramullah. My father loves to get martyred again and again and this time he crossed the limits of patience and achieved the honor at the age of just ten months.</p>
<p>The blood is spilling its color and the light is reflecting it beautifully as invested blood never goes vain, last time I had asked my people to choose among the two options, either to respect the martyrdoms and lead the movement to a meaningful conclusion or to betray the blood , but my people proved to be real freedom lovers and have bounced back strongly boiling their vasculature to burn the basics of their suppressor, neo generation warriors  with the most ancient weapons have attracted bunches of opinions in recent few months, some calling them the frustrated jobless people, some terming them as crazy violent kids and some even called them terrorists working for money but their message is loud and clear that they are not throwing stones but their anger and no one can stop them now because they have killed their fear already before setting their feet in the streets of the most beautiful prison of world where freedom and death are now synonyms for these sons of ailing mother, preferring to catch a bullet of freedom in their chest , than a cricket ball of imprisonment in their fist.</p>
<p>Let me share an event of my life with you; Once in a beautiful summer day while walking through the lush green fields of my ancestral area I met an innocent friend, it was a little boy with a mask of anger on his face sitting on the bank of Zanager canal, I stopped and sat down with him but he was buy in pelting pebbles in the canal with his full tiny muscle power and blasting the innocent anger to the flowing water of huge canal. I asked him the reason of his act but he didn’t replied as he was not interested in talking to anyone but I again enquired and with a sight of annoyance he looked at me and said,” this bad canal took my kite while I was playing with it, it fell in its water and flowed down the canal.” That naive angel made me smile and I asked him, what favor will the stone throwing do you in getting your kite back, he turned to me and looked like the mercury of his anger went bit down and he said,” it gives me satisfaction, my heart relaxes when I see my stone shaking the water of canal and making ripples on its face”.</p>
<p>The child was innocent , we too are innocent, the canal didn’t broke the law of nature but it was guilty for the little boy as he had lost his kite, now what about us,</p>
<p>We lost thousands of dear ones not the kites.</p>
<p>And our suppressor breaking the every single rule of Human rights.</p>
<p>HOW COME WE DON’T PELT STONES??</p>
<p>For my father and the people who gave their lives I say:</p>
<p>They lost a lot but what they earned is priceless</p>
<p>They dreamt a dream which was their destiny but serpents came on them,   betrayed and ruined their cause. For sure they will be rewarded, let the people know we are their successors and we are their followers, world will see so will the enemy, end of tyrants is hell so we are the one who will send them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Parviaz Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://www.blogbharti.com/sudipta/india/omar-abdullas-blog/comment-page-5/#comment-17621</link>
		<dc:creator>Parviaz Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wahhhh. Dialog process.
Dear upto now india and pakistan held more than 130 talks on kashmir, what happened.
Nothing.............
It&#039;s only a tool to suppress people of jammu Kashmir and nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wahhhh. Dialog process.<br />
Dear upto now india and pakistan held more than 130 talks on kashmir, what happened.<br />
Nothing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
It&#8217;s only a tool to suppress people of jammu Kashmir and nothing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Dr Mohammad Sidiq</title>
		<link>http://www.blogbharti.com/sudipta/india/omar-abdullas-blog/comment-page-5/#comment-17620</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Mohammad Sidiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr arvind,
  See u cant hold people of kashmir responsible for this Bloodshed.We know our politicians dont act according to the needs of the people.Todays kashmiri youth wants peace and employment and we dont want be slaves in the hands of merky indian politics.And ya u talked about spending million on safety of kashmir.Thats rubbish.They are spending on indian forces.Indian forces have only made life of common people miserable.Indian forces jus know how to make kashmiri public suffer,We dont need any security as any indian state.Jus keep our j&amp;k police dere.They wil tak care.Itz the greed tahtz keeping india to keep this much unnecessary army there.We jus hope they get lost soon from our state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr arvind,<br />
  See u cant hold people of kashmir responsible for this Bloodshed.We know our politicians dont act according to the needs of the people.Todays kashmiri youth wants peace and employment and we dont want be slaves in the hands of merky indian politics.And ya u talked about spending million on safety of kashmir.Thats rubbish.They are spending on indian forces.Indian forces have only made life of common people miserable.Indian forces jus know how to make kashmiri public suffer,We dont need any security as any indian state.Jus keep our j&amp;k police dere.They wil tak care.Itz the greed tahtz keeping india to keep this much unnecessary army there.We jus hope they get lost soon from our state.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Arvind</title>
		<link>http://www.blogbharti.com/sudipta/india/omar-abdullas-blog/comment-page-5/#comment-17619</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sadiq: Believe you are medico, you must be knowing the meaning of Chronic.Complete thought process of  fair amount of people from state of Jammu and Kashmir has gone into chronic stage. I cannot help, for your information, even though i am not staying in the state for long now, but i belong to the same land and have seen things quite closely. I remember the time, when there was no violence in the valley/state, life used to be awesome.

You believe it or not, what ever atrocities you people are publishing/pretending/facing or whatever.............you people.. to good extent are responsible for this.

Govt. of India is spending great amount of Money on defense against terrorism. Why don&#039;t we people take same money and invest that in the development of the state. 

I believe dialogues will have greater impression  in comparison with violence and shedding of blood. Ask your leaders to enter into dialogue and go for peaceful protests.

Thanks
Arvind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sadiq: Believe you are medico, you must be knowing the meaning of Chronic.Complete thought process of  fair amount of people from state of Jammu and Kashmir has gone into chronic stage. I cannot help, for your information, even though i am not staying in the state for long now, but i belong to the same land and have seen things quite closely. I remember the time, when there was no violence in the valley/state, life used to be awesome.</p>
<p>You believe it or not, what ever atrocities you people are publishing/pretending/facing or whatever&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.you people.. to good extent are responsible for this.</p>
<p>Govt. of India is spending great amount of Money on defense against terrorism. Why don&#8217;t we people take same money and invest that in the development of the state. </p>
<p>I believe dialogues will have greater impression  in comparison with violence and shedding of blood. Ask your leaders to enter into dialogue and go for peaceful protests.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Arvind</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omar Abdullah&#8217;s blog by Parviaz Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://www.blogbharti.com/sudipta/india/omar-abdullas-blog/comment-page-5/#comment-17618</link>
		<dc:creator>Parviaz Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Exodus of pandits a deep rooted conspiracy”

Srinagar: Accusing the Congress and the National Conference of the blood shed in the valley, Jammu and Kashmir National Panthers Party (JKNPP) on Tuesday said that the exodus of Kashmiri pandits from valley was a deep rooted conspiracy.

“Our tragedy is that we have always remained the slaves of National Conference and Congress. We lost one Lakh youth in the conflict. Who is responsible for their deaths? NC and Congress are the real culprits,” JKNPP, President, Prof Bhim Singh said, while addressing a news conference at party office Rajbagh on Tuesday afternoon.

“Kashmiri pandits were not forced out by the majority community. I know it. Why are the houses for pandits being raised in Nagrota and Jammu, not Kashmir? It is a deep rooted conspiracy and not just one party but many parties are part of this conspiracy,” he added.

Referring to the pro-freedom leader and Chairman of his faction of Hurriyat Conference, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, Singh said that Geelani offered him full support and cooperation to ensure the safe return of the displaced Kashmiri Pandit community.

“Geelani sahib expressed his willingness to welcome the pandits at Qazigund, on their return,” Singh added.

Stressing for peaceful and result oriented dialogue between the estranged countries, JKNPP; President said that India and Pakistan should continue their dialogue process with a clear agenda. He said both the countries should solve the issue of Line of Control to bring the people of both the sides closer.

“India and Pakistan should settle the issue of LoC, once for all. However, the solution should bring people closer, not alienate them,” he added.

Advocating the need for addressing the internal dimensions of the Kashmir issue, Singh said, all the three provinces of the state have a unique identity. The three provinces, he said, should be reorganized not bifurcated.

On this occasion Singh said that his party will recruit 10 Lakh members during the ongoing member ship drive in the valley. (PBI)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Exodus of pandits a deep rooted conspiracy”</p>
<p>Srinagar: Accusing the Congress and the National Conference of the blood shed in the valley, Jammu and Kashmir National Panthers Party (JKNPP) on Tuesday said that the exodus of Kashmiri pandits from valley was a deep rooted conspiracy.</p>
<p>“Our tragedy is that we have always remained the slaves of National Conference and Congress. We lost one Lakh youth in the conflict. Who is responsible for their deaths? NC and Congress are the real culprits,” JKNPP, President, Prof Bhim Singh said, while addressing a news conference at party office Rajbagh on Tuesday afternoon.</p>
<p>“Kashmiri pandits were not forced out by the majority community. I know it. Why are the houses for pandits being raised in Nagrota and Jammu, not Kashmir? It is a deep rooted conspiracy and not just one party but many parties are part of this conspiracy,” he added.</p>
<p>Referring to the pro-freedom leader and Chairman of his faction of Hurriyat Conference, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, Singh said that Geelani offered him full support and cooperation to ensure the safe return of the displaced Kashmiri Pandit community.</p>
<p>“Geelani sahib expressed his willingness to welcome the pandits at Qazigund, on their return,” Singh added.</p>
<p>Stressing for peaceful and result oriented dialogue between the estranged countries, JKNPP; President said that India and Pakistan should continue their dialogue process with a clear agenda. He said both the countries should solve the issue of Line of Control to bring the people of both the sides closer.</p>
<p>“India and Pakistan should settle the issue of LoC, once for all. However, the solution should bring people closer, not alienate them,” he added.</p>
<p>Advocating the need for addressing the internal dimensions of the Kashmir issue, Singh said, all the three provinces of the state have a unique identity. The three provinces, he said, should be reorganized not bifurcated.</p>
<p>On this occasion Singh said that his party will recruit 10 Lakh members during the ongoing member ship drive in the valley. (PBI)</p>
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