The tricycle blog discusses conversion to Buddhism:
Linked by kuffir. Join Blogbharti facebook group.“Dalits should concentrate on illiteracy and poverty rather than looking for new religions. In fact we think that there are very few differences between Buddhism and Hinduism.” One can only wonder what B. Veeraiah, who fled his Hyderabad-area village after being tied to his mother and beaten all night by a higher-caste neighbor for allowing his goat to wander, would say to this argument.
They embrace Buddhism to get rid of the caste, which one can’t escape as long he or she is in Hinduism.
I agree with anon and above all religion is individuals personal matter. India is a secular state where every citizen has righs .
WHY Hindus are scared and concerned.They must stop interfarence in our personal as well as community matters.
cause are not they HIGH people ?so what make them ro feel concerned for such a low community peoples matter. They keep distance with us in other fields of life so is not it that such abominable job do not suits to these ‘HIGH PEOPLE’.I think they must do keep themselves busy in other high jobs.
I agree with the statement that “dalits should concentrate more on illiteracy and poverty rather than looking for new religions” but then the upliftment of dalits is not possible within the spheres of hinduism. Converting to other religions like Budhhism which profess equality gives a kind of self respect to the oppressed, it makes them believe that they have broken out of the shackles of the inhuman religion called Hinduism. This new earned self respect is necessary precursor for any success or achievement.
For them “Jai Bhim” are not just two words of praises for their messiah but these two words express all the rebel there is in their mind against the rituals. These two words give to the powerless the immense power to “Educate, Organise and Agitate”.
anon/neetu/akshay,
i agree with all of you. and most of what you say. but i hope you understand that the views quoted are an excerpt quoted from the tricycle blog, and are not mine.
So, what is your actual point, people here are expressing their thoughts and the importance of their act in this conversion ceremony.
Do you want them to post something in response to your posting or not is implied in the way you bring in news here, if you have specified in your original posting that this is not your opinion or original article (just copied from some other site), poeple would have been cautioned, but yet it does not stop someone can expressing their views.
some time it is a knee jerk response to issues that are close to one’s thoughts and lives, sometime it is well thought responses if they know that shis is not the place to say something, then they will stop it.
I believe, you can continue to encourage or redirect them to go to the original post and respond at that location.
For people who raise slogans like “dalits should concentrate on this and that” will never understand the inner truth and power of conversion, and we need to explain them. Those who make such pompous statment never helped any dalits, never got involved in any social upliftment, then how does it matter to listen to them.
While the very human rights and individual rights are perturbed, the mental torture can take them to grave yard, in such circumstances, getting out of such a barbaric system help them to clean up the mind, reorganize their thoughts, rejuvnate their lives better by following the truthful way of life that is Buddhism, they follow their savior Dr.B.R.Ambedkar who followed the way of the master of life Lord Buddha. Everything comes next, if you loose your inner peace, tranquility and passion to live, no food or education will do any good to you. First mental stability then everything else, this is where converting to Buddhism makes a lifetime meaing. Hindu’s have no ability to understand this and never will be, as their wisdom is shut up in ignorance of Rama, Krishna and Varna.
hope it helps some of my dalit brothers and sisters to continue to convert, do not worry about Hindus…..
JaiBheem
Saint
So, what is your actual point, people here are expressing their thoughts and the importance of their act in this conversion ceremony.
Do you want them to post something in response to your posting or not is implied in the way you bring in news here, if you have specified in your original posting that this is not your opinion or original article (just copied from some other site), people would have been cautioned, but yet it does not stop someone from expressing their views.
Some time it is a knee jerk response to issues that are very close to one’s thoughts and lives, sometime it is well thought responses, if they had known that this is not the place to say something, then they would stop it.
I believe, you can continue to encourage or redirect them to go to the original post and respond at that particular location (tricycle).
For those people who rise slogans like “dalits should concentrate on this and that” they lack insights, they will never understand the inner truth and power of conversion, and we have obligation to explain them as neighbor or a fellow citizen would do. Those who make such pompous statements never do any help to dalits, they never got involved in any social upliftment, then how and why does it matter to listen to them.
While the very human rights and individual rights are perturbed in Indian society throughout the existence of one’s life, the mental torture can take them to grave yard sooner than their normal expectancy, in such circumstances, getting out of such a barbaric system can supremely help them to clean up the mind, reorganize their thoughts, rejuvenate their lives better by following the truthful and acceptable way of life that is Buddhism, so dalits follow their master and savior Dr.B.R.Ambedkar who embraced and lived life by following the way of the master of life Lord Buddha.
Everything comes next, if you loose your inner peace, tranquility and passion to live, no food or education will do any good to you.
First mental stability then everything else, this is where converting to Buddhism makes a lifetime meaning to an individual or a group or a section of the society. Hindu’s have no ability to understand this and never will be, as their wisdom is shut up in ignorance of Rama, Krishna and Varna.
Hope it helps some of my dalit brothers and sisters to continue to convert, do not worry about Hindus…..
JaiBheem
Saint
Please note: there are some typos and errors in the previous response, so I amended in the following, I wish the webmaster or authour will remove the previous posting of mine and replace with this correct one.
thanks,
Saint
Conversion to Buddhism is a great step but is this Buddhism the real buddhism.
Ambedkar’s buddhism is the very anti-thesis of the actual Buddhism taught by Gautama the Buddha and his enlightened followers in the different traditions.
The unequivocal first premise of Buddhism that can be explicitly deciphered from the tripitaka pali canons and the later scriptures in the theravada and mahayana traditions is that hatred can never be conquered by hatred and the end do not justify means. This is the unique message of the Buddha. Ambedkar buddhism is highly steeped in hatred, revenge and victim conciousness. Ambedkar’s buddhism is much closer to marxist interpretation of relgion with the substitution of class with caste than with Buddhism. Ambedkar literature is rife with hate speech, machiavellian politiking and sectarian propoganda to garner power than with genuine concern and compassion for the weak and suffering.
The next myth perpetuated by Ambedkar and his followers is that the Buddha never beleived in the Law of Karma. The law of karma is the cornerstone of Buddhism as can be evidenced from the traditional buddhist literature and also through the current living traditional teaachings in the different schools of buddhism in china, thailand, Sri lanka, tibet, japan, korea and many others.
The third myth perpetuated by Ambedkar and his followers is that Buddhism was a social movement against Brahmins. Indeed Buddha condemned the rituals, practices of discrimination in any form and the caste system. However majority of the buddha’s disciples were from the Brahmin Clergy as they were more exposed to the theological discourses of the times and were the first people to accept and follow the Buddha. Also among the later Buddhist masters we find many Brahmins like Nagarjuna, Naropa, Saraha, TIlopa and many others. Esentially Brahmin was a caste of the clergy and the theologicians and Buddhists were the Monks and Nuns. The people who were drawn into the fold were brahmins, kshatryias and many other castes. Read also the ‘Canto of the brahmin’ from the Dhammapada, wherin the buddha extols the ideals of a Brahmin and also condems the false practices of purported Brahminism. Infact the lifestyle and rituals of so called Brahminical yogis, vedantis, Jains and some other sects have an overbearing similarity with the buddhist asceticism. Note also the respect, awe and reverence that Buddha is held in the ancient and modern yogic, vedantic and tantric traditions of Hinduism.
The fourth myth is that ‘hinduism’ or the culture of indians at that time which worshipped such gods as indra, brahma, shiva were antithetical to the Buddha’s teachings. Infact the Buddhist worldview and cosmology is quite similar to the popular traditions of vedas, yoga, sankya except for finer technical details which can be no subject for political discourse but rather belongs to the realm of ontology. This can be evidened in places where buddhism was exported from India like in Thailand, Burma, Sri Lanka, China and Japan. They have a host of ‘hindu’ gods, myths, stories which is also part of the buddhist package.
The essence of buddhism is social transformation through individual transformation by trancending the conditioning imposed by soceity like caste, class, creed, nationality, ethnic identities and so on. Ambedkar’s Buddhism just reinforces conditionings to a far greater extent and can be no means of liberation to either the followers or the ones who are targetted by them. In a nutshell the Buddhism of Ambedkar is a sham.
kavish,
you say: ‘Ambedkar buddhism is highly steeped in hatred, revenge and victim conciousness. Ambedkar’s buddhism is much closer to marxist interpretation of relgion with the substitution of class with caste than with Buddhism. Ambedkar literature is *rife with hate speech, machiavellian politiking and sectarian propoganda* to garner power than with genuine concern and compassion for the weak and suffering.’
what is your comment rife with?