Mridula reminds Aditya Jha, the writer of a column in the Indian Express, that he is a moron.
Linked by madhat. Join Blogbharti facebook group.Will someone go and remind Mr. Jha that the company he works for (Infosys) was co-founded by an IIT Kanpur PG. Yes, Mr. Narayan Murthi undoubtedly did a PG course from IITK and still founded a company like Infosys that employs the likes of Mr. Jha. But this could be a little too much for the brilliance of Mr. Jha to comprehend.
Is second order partial degree equation a euthamism in IIT?
Sunil, I have no idea, as I said I was doing a Ph.D. in HSS. But Madhat should know :)
Mridula, I don’t even remember what PDEs are! Perhaps I am not a specimen, after all. :P
Madhat, how would I even think of you as a specimen of the type I wrote about? I meant to say that you might just know if it was a UG thing …
Guys. Of course I was kidding.
IITs/IIMs are jokes that Indians grow up to but realise enough only to laugh in their third decades. As institutes their standing in the world is zilch.
All their name and value is because of JEE CAT alone which is perhaps the most competed exam a teenager can sit in the world. And that I mean competetion, by the sheer number of candidates with the ability to mug up vast amounts of information. There is nothing intellectual about them at all. Folks who have cashed in on the liberalization Like Narayan Murthy and few others have little to attribute their successes to these institutes.
Because as you see, there is nothing whatsoever gained in these premier institutes per se by students who went to there is evident later on in their lives or careers. There are no scholars, visionaries, patents, nobels, even a decent campus for that matter ( they looked like vast hinterlands the time I checked) . I am sure management folks are aware of Ambler’s SMART objectives – and not any of those five criteria are achieved by these institutes except throw up vain geeks who let go of an air hostess and write about it. What is it? The chicken crossed the road because he wanted to solve a second order partial semi automatic double layer vuy 2 get 1 free equation? Huh! I am not sure what is designation means, but he sounds like someone who is alive because it is illegal to get killed.
PS- My views are on IITS/IIMS alone and on a world scale, it is not relevant to folks who went there.
@Mridula: No no. I am just saying that I am not brilliant. :)
@Sunil: Because as you see, there is nothing whatsoever gained in these premier institutes per se by students who went to there is evident later on in their lives or careers. There are no scholars, visionaries, patents, nobels, even a decent campus for that matter ( they looked like vast hinterlands the time I checked)
I think that is unjust. IITians and IIMites have definitely contributed. Quite a few of them are unknown, obscure and have not gotten killed by corrupt contractors.
Hello Madhat,
I dont think that was unjust at all. I defintely agree the folks have contributed, but I stated that only in the context of IITians being super brains and in light of the claim that IIT/IIMs are world class institutes. From any angle there is nothing world class about them, say like for instance – Oxon cambridge club who can boast about a couple dozen prime ministers and another long list of nobels, not even mentioning the pioneers and many others.
I knew Manjunath well but not that well even before his tragic death. I did not mean to refer to him, but only Mr. Jha’s imbecility.I dont think we can speak of him and jha in the same breath. Btw Mridula I think Jha is an imbecile (who is more challenged than a moron – a term applied to borderline to mildly challenged – say soemone like Falstaff.
regards
Sunil
Sunil, thanks for sharing your views. My post was from a former PG student’s perspective and hence I used Mr. Murthy as an example. And I have met a lot of people like Mr. Jha during my stay at IIT as a Ph.D. student. I even thought I was above reacting now after so many years. But I proved myself wrong.
@Sunil: If that is the measure you use…
I have a lot of criticism for the IITs but non-performers and bad education is not amongst them.
@Mridula: You are right to be angry. Jha is an ass.
Madhat,
You are defending against something that is alleged by no one but yourself.
I did not say IITS /IIMs are non performers. Or that they impart ‘bad education’. Have I anywhere?
So I repeat, I made the comments in the context of a prevalent national myth that IITS are some floating paradises of educational brilliance in the world. Apropos rumours that they are powerhouses of Superbrains and intellectual goldmines as reinforced by that clearly overrated fool Jha. Reality is far from it. The words – intellectual, superbrain have a meaning and there is nothing tanglible to suggest that IITs are such. I have explained why in my previous comment.
Yes they perform -like a Car production unit churning out hordes of products. One sunshine example is Jha. If that is the argument then even Kendriya Vidyalayas are etons and Ivys of the world.
Education in India, good, bad, otherwise blah is a different debate. Not specific to IIT.
If there is any evidence to suggest that IITs make a man out of a boy and consistently so, then I would be really interested to listen.
IITS/IIMS are no way different than any other average educational instiut in India. Except that JEE/CAT ensures the best in India make into them. I havent found a single chap who went or wishes to go to IIT/IIM because he wanted to work on such and such a project or under so and so in IIT X, Y, or Z. Everyone gets there by a competetive example because generally the propspects are better. period.
Which explains why there are no reputed chairs, thinkers, pioneers, scholars, socially reknowned people as their alumni like in any other ‘world-class’ institute. IITS/IIMs have to just stop blagging. Simple.
cheers
So I repeat, I made the comments in the context of a prevalent national myth that IITS are some floating paradises of educational brilliance in the world. Apropos rumours that they are powerhouses of Superbrains and intellectual goldmines as reinforced by that clearly overrated fool Jha.
Yes, the IITs are overhyped. But having been in one, I can say that there is atleast some truth to that assertion. True, there are no noble laureates but I do not think that is the right measure.
IITians have done pretty amazing things which are not generally popular in the media. Have you heard about ‘Primes in P’? Go look it up.
You call IITs as no different from an average institution but that is far from the truth. The sad part is only a privileged few get that quality of education.
The problem with Jha is that he reads too much into JEE and makes it the differentiator of intelligence which is not just stupid but downright ignorant.
Madhat Madhat.
Unsurprisingly you totally miss the point.
1. IITians have done pretty amazing things tahta re not popular in the media.
IITians may have. IITs havent. There is nothing to attribute whatever IITians have done to being IITians alone. Unlike other world class institutes, there is no evidence to suggest IITs render their students a posse ad esse.
While I can appreciate your loyalty to your institue, the notion to extend it to say that media doesnt bother to popularize pretty amazing achievements is a pretty soiled concept of reality. Tell me do you actually believe if there was a real, tanglible, viable achievemnt media would ignore it? And Indian media ?? Huh!
2.IITs are different from otehr institues for the only reason beacuse of the filtering JEE. Per se, their value is zilch. Its like saying AIIMS is on par with Harvard medical.
3. I just looked up Primes in P, 518000 results for what is described on first results as : an unconditional deterministic polynomial-time algorithm that determines whether an input number is prime or composite.
That almost sounds like Jha speaking. It might be important , I dont know enough to claim it isnt , but where is the viability? Also, if you think it is as amazing you reckon Stockholm would sit on it?
This is exactly what I am talking about for 50 years , indians ahve been sold the idea that IITS are world class, cerebral super structures and all we get to hear is an obscure mathematical algorithm. Here’s a small tip check Jaipur foot instead 198000 searches including 4 media articles on the first page, one of them being by TIME.
As I said before, IITs have no targets, no specific goals that can be attained, measured or time structured.(Ambler). They are just there; in any other country they would have been scrapped years ago. Ambler’s is a gold standard in post-modern entreupreneurial structures ( Indian Government in this case); well in life actually, in fact, many including myself use the Amblers in personal lives. If you arent convinced about the right tool to measure the achievements, why dont you pick any viable standardised right tool and tell me how IITS have achievements that qualify as amazing, apart from your conviction that they have.
cheers
Then I guess you buy into the superbrains theory.
whooooaaaaaaaaaaaat?