I’m tempted to say that this is yet another politician joining the blog-wagon. But I think these rather present a better perspective to their words and views. I cannot vouch for this blog’s authenticity, but my personal opinion is that this blog does belong to Omar Abdullah:
Linked by sudipta. Join Blogbharti facebook group.They say you cannot keep all of the people happy all of the time and life has shown me that this is true. I guess one has to reach out to as many people as possible knowing that there are some who will not appreciate what is said (or in cases done), some will be down right critical - not because they disagree but because they have such strong personal dislikes that they are unable to rise above them and be objective and yet others will be indifferent. So has been the case with the reaction to my speech. This blog has been reflective of the way in which the speech has been received.
Omar, do you know what you people have done in jammu.
Jammu is burning.
Why double standards while deailing with Jammu
Improve your Image in Jammu.
Your Party members are hiding.
No body is coming out and consoling the diturbed.
Please look for some solution.
Offcourse you (Omar) I mean according you to make evry people happy, Congress appreciate you in the parliament,
but,Beyond the polictics , being an human being, being a public of the nation, state( J&K), what u have done to solve the issue, what is ur active participation to solve the issue, our brothers , sisters ,are getting injured in jammu and in kashmir first, but no policalicaly want to think about the feeling of common man, whatever is happening in jammu, it reflects the economy of our state , it has stopped the development in J&K , I think you are the one of us who are resposible for all this, if u think u can do somthing then come ahead show us that ur the loyal to J&K, How your soul is in peace when the people of Jammu are burning, if u think u are part the family ( J&K) the come out and make a decion and show the public practicaly , then u will get the real apprection,
Dear Omar, please accept my heartiest congratulations for an impassionate speech you delivered in the parliament on July 22. It would be remembered as one of the best speeches ever delivered in the parliament. I have always felt proud about your secular and nationalistic credentials. Unlike most other politicians in Kashmir, you and your illustrious father Dr Farooq Abdullah have the distinction of never playing with the secessionist sentiments of people in Kashmir. As you began your speech in the parliament that you are a Muslim and you are an Indian and there was no difference between the two, you were speaking straight from your heart. In fact you never needed to say that, you have always proved it indeed.
However I beg to differ with the widespread public opinion generated by your “extempore speech”. For the speech was not at all addressed to the parliament, nor to the billion Indians who were watching you live on the television. It was aimed at the select “secular Muslims of Kashmir” whom you are going to ask for their vote very soon. I salute you for the courage to call a spade a spade. You rightly criticized the Bharitya Janata Party for its communal agenda. I believe your regret and accept the apologies which were obviously aimed at the Kashmiri Muslims. You rightly criticized the Communists for being self proclaimed guardians of the Indian secularism, while not minding to side with the “communal BJP” in toppling the government.
Dear Omar, I know and you know that you paid a heavy price in 2002 assembly elections in Kashmir for not having resigned on the Gujarat riots. You and your party were defeated in the elections, mainly because you were blamed for sharing power with the “communal BJP” at the centre. That ghost might be still haunting you. But you showed enough moral courage to apologize to the Kashmiri Muslims. You berated the BJP to the maximum possible extent. That is for you and the BJP to decide. Your speech was rated among the best by various television channels. Taking it on the face value everybody would like it. Because, it was rhetoric at its best. Particularly when you had chosen the two best targets, the Communists and the BJP, who were obviously not liked by many across the country for their opportunistic “understanding” to topple the government for entirely different reasons.
I wish you gathered the same moral courage, which you showed in the parliament to denounce the Hindu communalists, to condemn the Muslim communalists in Kashmir who are seeking the secession of Kashmir from a secular India just because Kashmir is a Muslim majority area. I feel sorry the way you defended the anti Amarnath land transfer agitation in the parliament. And hats off to you that you presented it to be a “secular” agitation for the land. Let you tell me and the whole of nation who was going to take away the land from you. Had LK Advani been allotted the land to settle down his “communal brigade” there. It was just a temporary transfer to the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board to facilitate the pilgrimage of lakhs of pilgrims coming from across the country. And is the Shrine Board an outside agency. Isn’t it just a state agency controlled by the state government itself. The matter of the fact is that you joined the course of competitive communalism that was initiated by your rivals, the People’s Democratic Party and hijacked by the communal secessionists like Sayeed Ali Shah Geelani. And how brilliantly you presented it in “secular colours”. What if the Hindus outside Kashmir rebel in the same way and seek vacation of Haj houses? That has never been done and it will never be done.
I am sure, you are an honest and a well meaning person. I not only see a bright future for Kashmir in you, but for the entire country. We need leaders like you, passionate, forthright, honest, brilliant and daring. To conclude I tell, rather I request you one small thing. This is too personal. That I am myself a Kashmiri like you. I am thorough Kashmiri in language, in culture, in life and in everything. I have been thrown out of my Kashmir 18 years ago. Even remaining away, I have maintained my language, my culture and my lifestyle as a true Kashmir. You will say that, I was not thrown out as it was Jagmohan who prompted me to move out. Presuming that I went out at Jagmohan’s behest, but can you help me now to return my piece of land, less than half an acre, no big deal. It has been occupied by one of my “secular Muslim” classmates with whom I used to go to school for twelve long years. He knows I cannot do anything. You said, you will fight for the rights of your land. Will you help me to return my land, like you pleaded the cause of other fellow Muslim Kashmiris. I am also your fellow Kashmiri who still cherishes the memories of his home. Don’t disappoint me. Because I think you are not only brave but bold as well. Have courage to speak for me. Whether I get my land back or not, would not bother me, but I would feel consoled that a fellow Kashmiri stood for me, like he stood for other fellow Kashmiris.
Yours truly,
Vimal Sumbly
R/O Batmohalla, Sumbal Sonawari,
Kashmir.
At present,
306 Premimum Apartments,
Pakhowal Road, Ludhiana,
Punjab.
09878814015
Mr omar
u call urself a leader of kashmir in otherwords u care for kashmir but let me remind u when indian army raped 75 women in kudan posh pora , u didnt even say a single word against indian forces barberic crime , while u stay mum proves indirectly you spoort that incident, so Mr omar dont u think u r real cowerd?
if u have gutss reply me but with facts
i hope u say “i am a muslim & an indian & theres no difference between the 2″ in ur constituency in the upcoming october elections okkk
Dear Mr Abdullah
I saw you speak in the parliament. What a wonderful speech it was! We are proud of that speech. We need politicians like you in our parliament. Well done! Dr Yadu Singh, Sydney, Australia
Surely you deserve all respect and applaud for being so vibrant in the parliament. Truly it has brought you on the national scene and hopefully state will find its share in national politics. It reminds of Sher-e-Kashmir who had a great vision, it was through his efforts that Land reforms were possible in both regions of the state (which I consider as the best in India).
But you have seemed to be more pro-Kashmir and one feels you tried to gain lost ground in Kashmir at the cost of Jammu.. There was always a disconcerm in Jammuites for step-motherly treatment and the wrong interpretations of your speech have fueled the same. Though there is no doubt of you being an impartial leader. Only political implications could have been reason for few biased elements in your speech. Furthur, I want to say land belongs to people of J&K and they have to collectively fight and infact they had been together for the cause of their motherland. Your limited referance to Kashmir is very unfortunate and unacceptable.Now when situation is worst in Jammu, and negative rumours are spreading in Kashmir about communal tensions in Jammu. I hope you will come with still another vibrant and more refined speech.
Rakesh Atri has posted a very balanved view. I really appreciate
Dear Omar,
I saw your speech on TV and on youtube when the no confidence motion was on. I also read the transcript from the Walk The Talk show. All I can say is well done and that now you have raised our hopes, do not let us down.
You are no longer a representative of Kashmir, you are now a representative of a young and resurging India, although many debates and incidences will try and pull you back every now and then.
I hope that you and some of the other young MP’s from all parties are able to put the right items on the table for discussion and decision making, both at the state and the center.
The list of such things is long and there are millions who will thank you for getting the ball rolling, even though many may not not your name.
Best Wishes and hope to read about you soon
Harmit
It is very unfortunate that stir in Jammu over transfer of land is dubbed as communal though every efforts has been made by right wing to make it a communal event. The discontent in the mindset of Jammuites is quite similar to Kashmiries. Kashmiries, feel exploited by the Govt.of India, on the other hand Jammuites feel expoited and unrepresented in the state decision making process.
In the past also there has been stirs against Kashmiries, whether it is issue regarding MBBS seats or selection procedure by JKPSC.This event has touched almost everyone in Jammu and lost of lives has further intensified it.
More unfortunately Govt. and media are interpreting it communal even when various muslim amd sikh organisations from Jammu are standing in support with the Hindus.It is more a regional issue than a religional one. Alhough sparse, but every communal news brings shame and pain with it.
Due to language and cultural gap, and minimum communication between two regions, there is always a possibility of such a misunderstanding in future also. The issue is making it strong to think about regional autonomy. And the Govt. should balance the representation of both the regions in various state Committes and Boards to lessen Kashmiri dominance in state affairs. Even Chief minister should be from Jammu for 3 years and from Kashmir the next 3 years.
So far as the Land use is concerned it should have been better that instead of the controversial site, land should have given somewhere else in Kashmir to SASB for making permanent Campuses. And during yatra land(controversial site) along yatra route could be handed over to Shrine Board for the desired purpose.
Kashmir’s environmental concern is always welcomed, but it will be considered true and unbiased only if a movement of same amplitude be started by so called environmentalists, Kashmir warriors and politicians against the encroachment and degradation of Dal and Wular, against polluting Jhelum, against the loss of biodiversity and alteration of geology by the constuction of roads and railways. I am sure Kashmiriat is only limited to the issues which oppose India and till date even after your enthuasiastic speech you are bold enough to tackle the problem at the cost of political benefits.
MR ABDULLAH at least respond if ur running this blog!!!!!1
dear omar
your speech in parliament was extraordinary
exemplery , you touched the core issue that no KASHMIRI
whatsoever his conditions he is not anti hindu
kashmiris have always been a tolerent race this amarnath yatra has always been provide real logistics by muslim population, these few vested intrests are bent upon creating a divide in two communities with leaders like OMAR ABDULLAH around we should hope for etrenal harmony among the communities once again i congratulate you on your un abashed straight forward speech in parliament
Omar
Your speech in the parliament was a real confusion in your mind,which needed to explode some where,Please thank God that you had an opportunity to do it there.
First Mehbooba nd Her Party created Confusion and set Jammu on fire and Now you all are appreciating Omar Abduallah as great future leader, who again added fuel to fire of his statement ” 1 inch bhi zameen nahin denge”, I recall Ashok Khajurias’ BJP comment, Zameen kaya Omar Abduallah ke…….. ki hai. I think Ashok Khajuria Rightly said That. We need to correct Mr. Abdullah on that. He needs to be corrected….. please do not side with his communal Mind Set which he has very recently got cloned from Mehbooba and her Party.
Though burning presently but Jammu is rising against the stupid Poltical Gimmicks of politicians like Mehbooba and Omar.
Please comment
Leave amarnath shrine to Hindus. Its indian soil , why we cant practice our religion in peace. Hindu religion respect other religions. All politicians in india are stupid and visionless , good people cant work in right terms. Mulyam singh , Amarsingh & spoke person of congress is busy in vote bank of muslims. Why people are so stupid. SP is making muslims fool in india. So stupid congress , who never did any thing in real for muslims in india. Still many muslims are not uplifted , congress always used them , so other parties. Indian needs new thinking , new political outfit which is young and edcuated. No political party has ever taken bold steps to save country.
India is a socialist secular country. Every religion has its right to preach and worship. When Indian Govt. gives subsidy to Haj Muslims, it does not do any favour, its right of Fellow Muslims. Same is true for Amarnath Land, its right of Hindus to have it and they will. If Kashmiri Muslims feel Kashmir is islamic land, they badly need some education which Secular Indians should provide. If anyone from Kashmir wants to join Pakistan, they are free to do so.
YOU ARE REALLY A TRUE KASHMIRI.I WAS IN PUNE THAT DAY WHEN YOU MADE THAT SPEECH IN PARLIMENT.I WAS WATCHING T.V ALONG MY FRIENDS.YOUR SPEECH MADE ME SO PROUD TO BE CALLED KASHMIRI.IT WAS ROCKING.I FELT TOO GOOD.I HAVE ALL THE PRAISES FOR YOU.MAY GOD BLESS YOU.WE COULD SEE THE GLIMPSE OF SHEIKH ABDULLAH IN YOU.SO YOU ARE THE NEXT “SHAIR E KASHMIR”.GOD BLESS YOU AND GET GOING..HATTS OF TO YOU OMAR
Hi Omar,
Well your speech has definitely got lot of appriciation & applaud but now its time to show & prove those words which u said in parilament.
Now J&K is burning, at this point of time what are you doing, r u drafting another speech for the upcoming election to attract the voters.
Its your party NC alonwithh PDP who are palying in the hands of anti national separists (Hurriyat ..& all those pro pakistanis) like puupets helping them in igniting the communal fire & mis leading the people.
Forget to mention congress with whom you will join hands (the way you did ith BJP last time) just for Power.
Today youth is looking at you as future leader, they don;t believe in communal kind of stuff, just want peace ful , powerful nation…….so please come on & prove your words & do something to extinguish the fire which is burning in J&K.
Kitne vote haaasil karoge communal aag laga ke , kuch to is desh ka soch lo.
Tum politicians ka imaan dharam hai ke nahin, sirf apne liye sochte ho, omar why didn’t u quit when gujrat (godhra) happened, actully u were enjoying power at that time, so didn;t got time to listen to your inner voice,was it sleeping at that time????????????????
Chalo finally tumne apni inner voice ko jagaya to sahi for few hours in parliament atleast speech dene ke liye,
Ab phir se u people are pushing J&K in to same old path but this time in more dangerous communal flame, what will you achieve?
Ek baar You tube pe footage mil gayee, dubara nahin milegi………..Itna padne likne ka kya fayada, tuchhi politics hi karni,
Thank you……. thank you for what u said in the Lok Sabha but now prove it. please! i believe that u can do it. hindus and muslims are from the same backround and culture. blame the british for creating disunity among the 2 but isnt it the job of us indians to unite them again. u say in that u are a Muslim, u re an indian, now please prove it or else this will lead to partition of Jammu and Kashmir. do u want this to happen to the very land where u live?
ur speech on 22nd july was fantastic…i loved it
Omar,
What is your Qualification other than being son of Farooq Abdullah to be a leader or head of NC???
What is your standing in National Politics of India if Kashmiri’s are not always threatning to go to Pakistan???
Why are you so Dumb to understand the stand of Political parties of being non-secular for so long as mentioned by you in Parliament?
Do you ever feel ashamed of being what you are or does it mean to be totally Shameless being a Politician???
How do you see yourself being treated in Jammu after all this mess has been created by you people???
What did you ever do to get the Kashmiri Pandit’s back to Kashmir whenever you guys were in power???
Get a life you Looser & learn to respect people’s sentiments rather than playing with their lives….you all have done enough harm to this country.
Just think if India gives away Kashmir to Pakistan or to Hell, what will you live with or what will you eat?
I just say give Kashmir away & I bet in two years all these Kashmiri’s will cry to come back to India & trust me we all will have hell lot of comfortable life!!!
Fuck you all Indian Politician’s who have made life hell of all Indian’s right from Congress, BJP, JD, NC, PDP & all the other SHIT PARTIES…FUCK YOU ALL BIG TIME!!!
Mr. Atri,
I read your views after I spilled my frustration….sorry not to read it earlier.
Now, the communal or secular is a big time thing in India. It has become a label of being Criminal or like a bad social element.
Here is my explanation about communalism:
When in 1947 this country was divided on the basis of religion was it not communal?
Did anyone ever question that?
Now, the Political recognition of Pakistan, how do you describe it as, is it not communal?
The Imam’s getting Salaries from Govt. of India, is it not Communal?
The discrimination on the basis of Caste, even if it is giving reservations, is it not communal?
Let’s accept the fact we all deep in our hearts are communal, the only fact is it surfaces when our personal interests are hurt. So yes we are communal & anyone has a problem the line was drawn in 1947 respect it & if you really want to have your mainland, please Google the Pakistan or Bangladesh Embassy address in India, file an application for Asylum & Fuck Off!!! Otherwise behave like good Indian’s respect Indian Flag & be an asset to the society & be a part of Nation’s progress.
If you still want to hang in India & host the Pakistani flag, I am sure Indian Army would Love to do some Live Target Practice.
Hinduism is the only religion which never went across the border to preach, we never force anyone to become Hindu as there is no provision, but that doesn’t mean you live in HINDUSTAN & illtreat Hindu’s.
Live like our brother’s & we will treat you will all the love & respect, mess with us & you will go in grave SIX INCHES SHORT FROM TOP.
omar abdullah,
Why did not you say in parliament that “I am an Indian and a muslim (rather than “I am a muslim and an Indian).What do you want to promote by being a muslim first and an indian second ? want to gain just votes. you have no right to critise those who say, I am a hindu and an indian.
About your ” i will not give an inch of land” , someone rightly said ” zameen kya tumare ____ hi hai?.
why did and mehbooba had to run away on the martyr`s day leaving your shoes behind ? becoz you dashed the hopes of an average kashmiri whose livelihood is based on tourist traffic and who was hoping to earn lots of money with the record traffic of pilgrims of amarnath yatra.
Also if you had so much moral values, why did not you resign during gujrat problem. becoz u were then enjoying the ministerial post and now when u have to get votes , you are befooling the people by enforcing your muslim identity.
Your father, who changes colors like a chamleon was saying in jammu that there is no harm in giving away the land to sasb , changed his stand the moment he crossed jawahar tunnel.
You even no longer can proclaim yourself as a muslim as you people (abdullas )and muftis do not have any IMAAN.
Jai Hind !
Dear Dante,
Thanks for the wonderful Arse Kicking comment!!!
I specifically didn’t say anything about Farooq Abdullah as I think he is such a Moron that he is not even worth mentioning in anything.
Honestly, if the law is made real strict against Treason, then both Abdullah’s & Mufti’s will be publically hanged or exterminated.
As far as Omar’s being Muslim is concerned, I think Muslims overall have a very strong Character & Nationality (which way they go), which however is not with Abdullah’s as they are Moron’s first & nothing later.
Mr.Omar you will do great service to India if you and Mufti take all Muslims of Kashmir and settle there.Anyways you spend most of your time in London.In Pakistan you will get a taste of your own medicine.
God save India from hypocrites like you.Mehbooba Mufti should actually be hanged
Yuvraj Singh you are perfectly right.India should snatch all the land and show then wos jameen it is.Time has come for an Israeli style blockade.Cut off roads to Srinagar and seal the border with POK.Ensure no Kashmiri Muslim remains alive inclucing that bastard Farooq (Nehru’s illegitimate son) and that slut Mehbooba
Hi Omar!Im a KAshmiri Pandit born in KAshmir,.aged 19 who hs never lived in valley.After teh turmoil everyone in my family hs anti feelings for Muslim.But we hv always loved and respected u more as a person dan a politicIAN.U have been an inspiration for the youth irrespective of the caste and religion.But ur supporting to PDP hs deeply heart my sentiments for they been anti-India. Mufti has been openly supporting militancy.And y did the KAshmiri Muslims protest on land transfer.This shows their anti-Hindu and anti muslim approach.Moreover their march to Muzaffarabad shows their love for Pakistan.If u r a true Indian u must come forward to criticise this step.I would like u to continue blogging for the sake of passionate Indians.JAI HIND.HAppy Independence Day.
Spoken like a true kashmiri muslim in the parliament with total allegience to pakistan.
all your bullshit for votes impress no one.
you are a parasite..you live on Indian tax payers money..dont you ever forget that you beggar
Omar,
Give me your London address & I will for sure KICK YOUR ARSE SO HARD THAT YOU WILL NEVER GO TO INDIA BACK!!!
At least one less!!!
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Response to Planforindia.blogspot.com
Reply to a discussion on http://planforindia.blogspot.com/2008/08/truth-about-holy-amarnath-cave-and.html
Where replies were supressed by the blog owner for reasons quite obvoius!
1. The shrine was discovered by a Kashmiri Muslim.
Response: According to a legend….
Reply to response:
Definition of Legend Oxford Concise English Dictionary: A traditional story popularly regarded as historical but which is not authenticated; Oxford Pocket English Dictionary: A traditional story from the past which may or may not be true
Definition of Puranas : eighteen ancient books consisting of legends and mythological narrations dealing with creation, recreation and the genealogies of sages and rulers
Definition of Mythology (Oxford Pocket English Dictionary): Set of widely held but exaggerated or false stories or beliefs.
2. The Yatra has always been conducted by Kashmiri Muslims
Response: Yes the yatra has been supported by the Malik family descendents but not conducted by them
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Supported by Malik Family agreed. But who are the pony owners? Who give shelter to Yatris during storms? Who carry the old on their backs? For your information, they are all Muslims since you seem to have seen Kashmir only through the internet and through “mythological” stories.
3. No Yatri was ever harmed by a Kashmiri Muslim.
Response: Yes, numerous. Even this year some were killed at Bus Stand (5), grenade attack at Gulmarg, etc. Here are only some of them from previous years, it is a long list but i have taken only 3 years
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Total No. of Kashmiri Muslims Killed (as per Govt. of India Statistics) since 1988 – 31,000
Total Number of Kashmiri Pandits Killed (as per your own blog): 361
It is grossly incorrect to term Kashmiri Muslims as terrorists. The statement “All terrorists are Kashmiri Muslims” can to an extent be a valid statement. But when you take the converse statement it is an utter violation of logical reasoning. The total Terrorist population by exaggerated estimates would be no more than 1% of the entire population.
Hence if you say Yatris were killed by Kashmiri Muslims, I suggest you go back to school and take a class in reasoning.
By the way, terrorists have no religion and have been misusing religion/race/creed since time immemorial across the world.
4. This year, we had record number of Yatris (more than 300,000) visiting the holy Shrine.
Response: Yes, that is good but it has nothing to do with the valley as the arrangements are done by the SASB. Generally Yatra’s world over are matter of faith and people endure great hardship to complete them. Kashmir being part of India, 300,000 or 3 million is no big deal.
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SASB had only 8 Hindu members - Justice (Retd) G D Sharma, Prof Vishnu Murti Shastri, Sunil Sachdeva, Manoj Gaur, Dr Vimla Dhar, Professor Neerja Mattoo, Raghu Modi and Dr Arun Kumar. The people who did the actual work on field were all Kashmiri Muslims. Thus, to say that just 8 people managed a gathering of 3,00,000 people is absolutely ridiculous.
5. Each and every Yatri had praises for the locals who fed them in spite of scanty supplies due to the economic blockage of the highway
Response: Well, that is what was the great sufi kashmiri culture that Paki’s wanted to destroy. This was the culture of Lal Ded and Rishi peer….
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I absolutely agree with your statement. The primary aim of Pakistan is to destroy any and every system in India. They had been trying to disconnect the Valley from the rest of India for the past 20 years. When they didn’t succeed people in Jammu came to their aid. For God’s sake stop communalizing the whole issue.
6. Entire country including the 300,000 Yatris are fully satisfied with the arrangements
Response: Well, the arrangements were done by SASB.
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As in point No 4
7. A handful of communal elements at Jammu have a problem.
Response: It is not as our P.M say “an issue of modalities”. It is a decision of how people will be treated. 400,000 pandits were forced out of their land, 361 were killed, their temples destroyed and sahbir shah, sajjad lone, yasin mailk and their likes are saying that Jammu has communal elements. Well it is like Pakistan accusing India of supporting Taliban
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I’m sorry but I’ll again say that Jagmohan was responsible for the unfortunate uprooting of Kashmiri Pandits from the Valley. He planned to “cleanse” the Kasmiri separatists in an indiscriminate planned attack. He along with his agencies spread terror amongst the KPs and they used to send Military Trucks to aid the migration. Even today, 1100 KP families still live in the valley. Why did anyone not touch them?
Coming to issues at Jammu, we have heard all voices coming from Jammu and from Kashmir. The voices and actions from Jammu are categorically against Muslims to the extent that even houses of Gujjars are being destroyed and supplies to the valley have been stopped.
On the contrary, Kashmiris made all attempts to make the Yatra successful by all means. Who is communal?
8. The local Jammu Dogra has never in history protested like this.
Response: Well that is the point, their patience has now broken and the last straw in the camels backs was Omar Abdullah’s speech in the parliament. It is he who shouted “it is OUR LAND and we will die but not give it away”….
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Excuse me; the land belongs to the people of Jammu as well, unless they choose not to associate themselves with the state. They have an equal right being state subjects. I agree that Kashmiri Pandits are also inhabitants of the land and Omar never disputed that in his speech. However, many of the Pandits chose to leave their homeland. I have read the other story about your childhood on your blog. But tell me how were Muslims different from Pandits. More Muslims who went against the terrorists were killed than Pandits. I will again reiterate that Jagmohan was responsible for the migration. Why did Sikhs and Christians never leave? Even after Chhati Singhpora incident? As I have already stated more than 31,000 Kashmiri Muslims have died due to Militancy, and the number excludes the number of Kashmiri Terrorists.
9. Some of the people who migrated from valley more than decade ago see this as an opportunity to take a revenge to rout out Muslims from Jammu
Response: Well again you are missing the point. Surely 20 years is a long time to take revenge. It is akin to agreeing that temporary structures 13000 feet at Baltal can be used for changing the demographic’s of the valley
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Well, if 20 years is a long time to take revenge, you would not have been blogging hatred today!
It is not about demographics. It is about pollution and contamination of ecology. The SASB started a helicopter service to add to the pollution. They were constructing permanent structures thereby destructing ecology. For evidence you may check their site at http://www.shriamarnathjishrine.com/amarnath-shrine-board.html
Moreover, if the Yatra is going on smoothly, isn’t it immaterial whether the land is transferred or not?
10. The Jammu Dogras have fallen prey to the game plan.
Response: same as above. Sadly, you are missing the point.
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Same a/a
11. Who is benefiting from the protests?
Response: Sometimes, protests are done without immediate gains. What will be gained is that the fact that Kashmiri’s have got too much without doing anything. .…
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Pakistan & ISI are benefiting from the protests and from the economic blockade. Wake up!
12. Our soldiers have laid down their lives fighting militants to keep the National Highway open for the past 20 years.
Response: Yes, that is the point. The Highway is a scared piece if land for all and we cannot allow it to be used to pump in secessionist elements. Just for your information, an R.O.P (road opening party) of the army clearing the….
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Our soldiers died to keep the link open but our fellow citizens- brothers and citizens succeeded!
13. Whose cause are people at Jammu supporting?
Response: They are fighting for the cause of India and the right of an Indian over secessionists.
Reply to response:
By blocking the road they are supporting the plans of secessionists
14. Kashmiri Leaders want a unified state including Jammu/Kashmir/POK/Ladakh
Response: Sorry but that is not a consolation. It is and will remain unified as per the 1947 agreed boundaries. It is the writ of the Parliament that the P…
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We want a unified state under India. Recent developments in Jammu aim at further dividing the state.
15. Protestors at Jammu want separate Jammu, Separate Kashmir, Separate KP Land, Separate Ladakh and maybe further slices of the flesh of our motherland.
Response: Haven’t heard that but there will always be multiple view points and that is the corner stone of democracy. People in valley who have been following nizam e Mustafa cannot and will not understand what a pluralistic….
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I’m sorry but Sikhs and Christians still continue to live in harmony with us. They, like us, never bowed down to terrorism. We have some of the leading schools run by Christian missionaries. Churches, Gurudwaras and temples and mosques continue with their religious proceedings.
If you now say that temples were destroyed, I would like you to find out how many mosques and shrines were destroyed by terrorists? Remember the destruction of one of the holiest shrines at Chraresharief? I again reiterate, terrorists don’t have any religion.
It is very unfortunate that sometimes ill informed individuals start to “blog” half-truths encouraging communalism. In the world today when everyone is striving towards peace, please use your efforts to contribute for a better tomorrow. Dont sow seeds of violence and hatred!
Mr Omar is novice and supporter of Anti nationals only for political mileage and lust for power on the cost of bloodshed of local jammuwala and kashmirwala. LET me remind them that u are eating Indian grains and show your disobedience to India by chanting pak name and Azadi. What sort of Azadi do you people want ???? You people not even tolerated in your godfather country paxistan not more than 2 days. And the illusion of kasmiri’s shed when they go to pakistan and make there leaving their. I urge only to you if you are true Muslim respect your country India who give you food, shelter, power and every think.
Think again
1) love all hate none
2) believe in God not in religion
3) solution for all disputes - treat with others the way you would like to be treated from others.
4) seek happiness in other’s happiness and peace.
5) if you are not strong enough to change others at least be firm on your own good points and thoughts.
6) assisting a wrong doer either covertly or overtly is more sinful than the person doing the same.
7) even if we can embibe some of the good points we can do lot good to the mankind.
I am given to understand that when deliberations for export of products was being discussed with Pakistan through Muzaffarabad, Srinagar Apples were also agenda item, But Pakistan did not accept Apples to be imported from Srinagar as their local produce would suffer.
is that true.
The only thing Pakistan accepts from Kahmir, is Kashmiri women.
The morons in Kashmir do not understand that.
IT IS HIGH TIME FOR INDIA TO LET KASHMIR GO TO PAKISTAN & ALONG WITH ABDULLAH’S MUFTI’S SHOULD BE SENT ALL THE MUSLIMS!!!!
The biggest Traitor to this country are Gandhi & Nehru….
I have stepped in late, and have therefore had to read the entire string of posts at one go. it was frighteningto say the least. from the tone of most entries, the posts appear to have come from young people. frankly i am dissapointed. no not because i ma old. i am not. but because i thought young india had managed to leave aside the persecution complex that marked the old inida. all the angry posts here seem to come from deeply disturbed individuals, will very low self esteem and inability to articulate a position based on a rational presentation of clearly understood views. merely spewing swear words and cursing omar and mehbooba can make you feel good for having got it out of your system. but there will be more hate fomenting where the previous outburst cae from. india is great, and mind you, and many ways it is great, because of its pluralism. there are few experiments in the history of human societies where so many diverse people have lived so equably for so long. we may not like what the kashmiri separatist think or say or do. let us also assume their mitives are not fuelled by azadi, but gratification from pakistani spyrunners. so what. this is not the LOC. this is a blog for god’s sake. if we cannot discuss differences of opinions somewhat dispassionately here, where else? were i to be rude, i could almost be tempted to ask the hotheads to grab guns and head for the border to fight militants and pakistanis. while they are at it they could take mr prvin togadia along. he rants a lot as well. but from a very safe distance. this is the worst form of cowardice. to scream obscenities form the cover of anonymity. are we part of amob here. or are we individuals trying to share our views with each other. let’s share some serious iddeas here. maybe then the perennially deaf (read politicians; about them i share the same disregard many here have expressed) can pick up a few things form here. some of them can read, i am told. if they cant hear, at least they can read. I’ll come back once to gauge the response. i hope i dont return to have calumny and hate poured upon me for what i’ve written. instead i’d delighted to read severely worded, but minus expletives, criticism of my views.
Without meaning any harm to anyone, the first thing I would like to point out is that all the mainstream political parties have tried shamelessly to politicise the prevalent volatile situation in Kashmir. Second things that needs be pointed out is that rather than showing restraint the leaders of various political outfits have tended to identify themselves with the masses without caring to understand the consequences of this mass hysteria. I am sorry to point out that even you, MR Omar, have behaved irresponsibly by becoming a party to the present conflict. One cannot say the same about your father Dr Farooq Abdullah who has shown great deal of maturity and wisdom in addressing the prevailing set of issues in the state.
The mob fury is today directed twards India, thanks to leaders like Ali Shah Geelani. He has all along survived on anti-India rhetoric and for him this moment may be the moment of triumph but for mainstream political parties like the one you are leading as president have nothing to gain by joining the chorus of separatists. So my earnest advice to you Mr Abdullah is ‘follow in the footsteps of your father and grandfather’ and don’t get misled by the heat of the moment.
I think Omar’s Father is a better politician than all.
He befools for years but rules without any communal tension.
Those who donot believe in the secular nature of India will make it a hell to live. Whether Kasmiri’s or someone else. Being a Jammuite, I always felt proud of our secular fabric, even during Ayodaya and Godra events our secular faric remained intact. But the vested interest of few politicians have created a mess and turned it into a communsl one. I only want to make an appeal lets not follow the path that KASHMIRI FUNDAMENTALISTS have been followed from decades. Lets prevent another migration from critical Doda and Kistwar.
And every effort that should prevent the furthur divison of country on communal is welcomed.
Mr Sahil
Sorry for late answering, and sorry u have interpreted me wrong I am only putting an unbiased view. And u keeps no right to question my nationalism. It was unfortunate that India got divided on religion basis only because we had wrong definitions of a nation. The secular pillers of our country makes it a successful democracy whereas on the other side what fundamentalism can do , u know better.
Your definition of communalism shows the class and caste to which u belong. You terming reservation on caste basis as communal upsets me. Ok, tell me one thing. Each year In India, Mandirs collects more money than the Annual budget of country, where the money goes, in the pockets of Priests and to so called religion parties (as we have very few shrine boards). IS that not reservation! You look childish in your approach. Have u ever raised ur voice against social hierarchy, it is tough to take the blame on urself, have u ever ever questioned wrong elements in so called biased religious books, infact I am sure u would have never gone thru any of them.
Do u know Rigveda is only Religius book in UN HERITAGE LIST! u know why! Mr. U DONOT KNOW. So think before U PASS ANY SUCH VULGUR AND IRRESPONSIBLE comment, or just keep away. Think! otherwise my Father who still have a Bullets in his leg would feel ashame of the nation for Whom he stakes his life.
Nationalism should not come at the cost of harrmssing others. Of course we would like KASHMIR ISSUE should be peacefully solved and u are true our security forces are strong enough to hold Kashmir.
Mr. Atri,
The moment India recognizes Pakistan & Bangladesh where does the stand of whole country being a Secular remain?
Don’t you think accepting the Partition on the basis of religion itself meant that we want a division on the basis of religion?
Why is it always taken in a negative sense if we say this is “Hindustan”? This country belongs to people who are Hindu’s.
The one’s who are Muslims (still having sympathy for Pakistan) please Google the Pakistani Embassy in New Delhi & file your papers for Asylum or just take a bus to Muzaffarabad or Hell!!!
I think this is the time to set the History right & send Muslims to their Land!!!
Muslims in the whole world can never live in peace with anyone, the matter of fact is any religion which thinks it is great by being spreader can never be peaceful.
So leave this Gandhiwadi culture & set the things straight, at least now.
Indian Muslim
I have read 99000 Kashmiri Pundits were killed. Though I see your point and I do agree that everything needs to be looked at carefully. But religion is a delicate issue and it is only best that conducting yatra be left to Hinuds of J&K alone. Ecological issues needs to be addressed and you are right there. But lets discuss it as environmentalist. If it is given a religious touch it will become a problem like Ram Setu. I think Ram Setu should not be broken because it will hamper the ecological balance. I do not care if Ram or Shyam has built it.
See the problem were Hindus get so touchy about is the division issue. I keep telling everywhere that India is the janambhumi, karambhumi, matribhumi and dharmbhumi for Hindus and of course Sikh, Jains and Buddhists. Other religion started coming in here for business or took refuge. You will agree that Islam came here due to invasion. I will stop here because I will not like to play the communal. Those invasions have happened 1000 years back. Cut to 20th century, we parted with Pakistan and Bangladesh over religious issues. Yes political parties are to be blamed as well. And Hindus and Muslims are to be blamed like wise. Now it is Kashmir. Again on the line of religion. Again all the parties are to be blamed. But someone like me, who has never got an opportunity to visit Kashmir because of terrorism questions how many pieces of land will we have to give away in the name of religion. 100 people have hundred point of view. Many turn violent, many spread hatred, many stop talking to people of other religion, some blog….. And u will have to listen to everyone. Because this is everyone’s country. Largely Hindus do not shy away from taking blame and blaming fellow Hindus. But dear unfortunately, Muslims never accept their fault. If mosques were burnt it was done by Muslims, yes government should have protected it. Did Indira Gandhi not use Sikh against Hindu Punjabis and then gunned them down at Golden Temple. If Sikh were killed so were Hindus. But we settled that score. And it was not long ago. Why is it we are not able to do it with Muslims. Forget the rest of the countries, but why in India. Coming back to burning religious places, when a temple is burnt by a terrorist (who happen to be a Muslim) will be viewed by Hindus as a religious persecution because those bastard use the garb of religion. U may say that terrorism has no religion but those terrorists are using religion as a reason. Can we keep quiet. On top the problem as I said Muslims are not working in a constructive way. Look what Kafeel has done. Could he have not used his talent in a better way. The Muslim engineere who used that American’s IP address has only put people like me to a caution. U may argue they were not Muslim. But do u not think many Muslims will also be cautious now in trusting a Muslim over such matter saying ‘WHAT IF?’ And this is what is killing. We condemn RSS and religious intolerance, and it is high time we stop flying the flag of secularism and U and I look within our religion and solve the problems it has rather than showing each other the number of atrocities done against each other. But last word, unfortunately not many Muslims are working for the betterment of Muslims. They need to come out of the ghettos they are living in or someone needs to go in their and tell them about education, hygine…… Same with Hindus.
Indian Muslim
One more thing… Muslim said Mumbai Blast was a reaction to Babri demolition, the next Mumbai train blasts were for Godhra…. why Mumbai? Then Ahmedabad, Bangalore, and other cities….. Now if people of those cities turn back and start killing Muslims? The chain continues….. I as a Hindu will always blame a Muslim and u as a Muslim will always blame Hindus. But as a human we must stop this chain reaction. And I personally believe, the root cause is Kashmir. The government allowed terrorism to flourish too long in Kashmir. First these terrorists were outsiders who got in and trained Indians.
Now if reports are to be believed the Indian Mujaheedin are getting trained alongwith Naxalites in Kerela. Dangerous!! U know what I think in five years time this will become a corporatised terrorism for the buy and sell of arms and we will never get over it. So it is time all the bloggers to bury our hatred and make sure u do not listen to anyone who says anything against any religion. Just say NO. Believe me its getting to be a corporate crime like in USA and we are a poor country.
Muslims,
The matter of fact is they can never live with anyone, you guys are seeing it from the prospect of India, I am an Indian a Hindu, but living for last 4 years in Europe.
This is one race or say religion who can never live in Harmony with anyone, how much or how less you give them. I don’t say it’s good or bad, I am no one to judge for what they do unless they harm me.
However for last 61 years they have never accepted India or let’s say Hindu’s as their Mates maybe because of being Schedule Casts getting converted into Muslims, as they were never Originally Muslims & were only converted after Mughal invasion.
Now, if somebody has a inferiority complex no one can help him. The point to be seen is Pakistan was made & till date both Pakistan & Bangladesh are Politically & Diplomatically recognized by Union of India, so where does the question of India being Secular comes? We divided our own country on the basis of Religion, so let it be. Now if the Muslims were held back for whatever Political reason & after 60 years we have seen it’s not working. It is now high time to revert back from the mistake.
Look at the rate of Population growing of Muslims (again nothing against it). It would be in benefit of both India & Pakistan if the migration is done today under the Supervision of UN & Muslims should be given safe passage to their Homeland which is undoubtfullyn Pakistan or Bangladesh. The Govt. of India should compensate them for their properties. All the Hindus (if any) living in Pakistan or Bangladesh should be sent to India with appropriate compensation.
The Benefits would be enamors as the amount of money both countries spending on Arms race to threat each other can be utilized for some fruitful purposes. On top of that once you have nothing left to hate, both countries can put their energy in the right directions.
Now, why this formula will never work. If you look at the political structures of both the countries who were the people involved during Partition & how many families running that show have changed? At least in India it’s still the same family running the show!!! On top of that this is something which is beyond thinking of common man, the conflict of India & Pakistan opens a wide range of opportunities for West to Trade their Arms & other materials. These countries will never let this hatred go away as this will break their biggest markets.
The West or at least lets say the P5 (Permanent members of UN) who also happen to be the Biggest Arms Producing Countries in the world will never let their share fade away so easily.
Given all these considerations the best option would be reunification of India & Pakistan along with Bangladesh, however after 60 years since this is not possible the only way out is letting the Muslims go to their Homeland as it is the Holly Land of muslims (Pak-istan) & let Hindus live in Hindustan.
How simple can be sometimes Solutions only if you know what the Problem is!!!!
& all these years we have been just living with the problems.
S
Sahil
i marvel at your naivete. you seriousl;y believe Indians and Pakistanis will have nothing to hate after an exchange of muslims and hindus respectively. boss, hating the other is an esential aspect of the construction of identity. you define urself in opposition to others. and believe me in indina there enogh differences between regions and linguistic groups to produce hate to last a thousand years.
the issue is not so simplistic. cultural plularism does notmean either absorbtion in, or erasure, of other cultures, but their acceptance and celebration. that way we enlarger our sense of the world.
and by the way being hindu is not my primary identity. let’s talk about identity. what we are? what did great people (indians; gurus; hindu thinkers)say about being hindu? have you read Vivekananda and what he has to say about muslims (and orthodox hindus for that matter). explore these thoughts a little and maybe then we can take this discussion a few steps further. mere spewing of hate is a fruitless excercise. it is also embarrassing for those whoi are less insecure than you about being hindu and the Q of identity.
Debaj,
If the hatred is an essential part of identity, then let it be. But, after the exchange it will be clear where the enemy is & where the line is. Not that you have a lot inside & a lot on the other side. Who is scared of hatred or war, but the whole question is WHO IS THE ENEMY? If after exchange this still persists, then we have a clear target.
As far as Vivekananda & his philosophy is concerned, Debaj, I never met the Gentleman & honestly just tell me from where he was & also is there not a problem in his birth place? If there is any problem in his place, then my dear I don’t follow him. My only way of following is of the solutions which work.
60 years, Muslims in India didn’t work, its time to rethink otherwise this will never be solved.
As far as Hindu Guru’s, I don’t know which one to follow… so let’s talk about Geeta “If you are not against Evil, then you are with it”!!! Keep on being a submissive race, first it was the Mughals, then British & now will be someone else.
I mean, we Hindu’s never go anywhere even to preach religion. This is only one country which is our homeland, every Motherfucker came from outside here & is now trying to tell us to be patient.
This is Hindustan & that is Pakistan, you are a Hindu stay in Hindustan, you are a Muslim go to Pakistan. That was the simple line of Partition. I mean what is the big fuss all about.
& as far as exploring the thoughts, Darwin said very right “Survival of the Fittest” that is the only Law of nature, rest all is Bullshit. Just words with no weight.
Hope this helps you to think out of the Box!!!
Cheers,
S
Debraj Mookerjee
Very true indeed, religion is more a identity than a thing of respect. i haven’t seen too many religious mind around there. If muslims are a threat, then what is wrong with the christians in orissa, are they posing threat to national security, I wonder when people call them millitants, how illiterate and poor tribals have become so strong in such a short span of time.
dear sahil
sorry about getting personal. yuor land is both your janambhoomi and your karambhoomi. ur janambhoomi is India; your karambhoomi is europe. every muslim who toils in india has the right to shape its destiny. abul kalam its missiles; aamir khan its entertainment industry; and your average abdul or karim the exquiiste brasswork of moradabad or even the delectable kakori kababs of luncknow.
how can you extricate a person from his or her work, which is so much a part of ones life.how can you even begint o think of these ordinary people as fit subjects for displacement ot pakistan. what wqil they do there? you are an alien in europe. you know what it means to be in unfasmiliar situations. lucknow is home, not lahore, for so many muslims of that city. the tehzeeb is different, as is the water, or the marinate for kebab, th azan sounds diffrent, the lingua franca is punjabi and not urdu ….
think about these things before you prescribe your ‘final solution’!
and Vivekananda was much more than either bengali or india. if you have the courage to have your ideas challenged pick up some f his writings.
regards
PS: sahil, i appreciate your civility. pl keep opposing me oir anybody else, but within the boundaries of civility. that way we can get this discussion going. let us avoid abuse. four taps on the keyboard is easy; restraint however bespeaks maturity and evokes serious introspection.
regards again
PPS: i teach in delhi university. i work har to be close to my students. i dare say they are fond of me. i am used to rabid opinions of viderse nature. i do not judge. i only attempt to persuade. and i find it very difficult to hate.
Debraj Mookerjee and Rakesh Atri,
Get some history lessons.Poeple should learn lessons from history but unfortunately, that will never happen.Mankind will suffer for ages because of ignorance. Empires that ruled for decades crumbled like a pack of cards.Sixty years is not a very long time in history.If only we could live that long to see the shape of things for ourselves but that previlage is not granted to us by the almighty.Unfortunately we sow the seeds for our future generations to reap.Poeple with fascist ideas are gaining ground and the results can be forseen.A disaster in the making!
Good luck.
Omar,
Rise and lead the poeple of kashmir in this hour.I can see history in the making.The kashmiris are no longer scared of the indian brutal forces of evil occupying and subjugating them for the past six decades.Kashmiris compare you to your grandfather and are looking up to you.Grab this historic moment and join them in their struggle to unshackle them from this cruel occupation.
You can do it only if you have no desire to become a puppet Chief Minister who dances to New Delhi’s tunes.
Kashmiris have suffered the worst kid of voilence, torture, rape and plunder at the hands of indian occupation forces.
dear mr.omar.
it is important for people like you to take the initiative in the peace process and make jammu and kashmir a paradise in reality.it must be understood across sextions of the society and the world that the borders between indai and pakistan cannot be changed and the only other solution rather than accepting this fact is a war which will only worsen the future of J&K.its time leaders of gen nextlike you take initiative an bring on board the people of J&K,the hurriyat,pdp,jklf and other such representations to achieve a common objective of finding a solution to J&K rather than making it into another political fallout.its time to put the past behind for india as well as pakistan and look forward to accept the realities and work towards peace.the elections in J&K is definetely the first step towards such a peace process.afetr your sppech in the parliament,i’m toroughly sure that you have the capability to take the region forward and to bring an end to the woes of J&K.
Dear Omar,
Kashmir has suffered less because of misinformation by the Indian govt. to the outer world and more because of lack of leaders who could do justice to the real cause of the Kashmiris.
You may please note that, this side of the LOC or that side, the leadership has never addressed to the prosperity and happiness of Kashmiri people. Our dear neighbour Pakistan, instead of abetting terrorism and funding arms and ammunition, could have poured in millions of dollars into Kashmir to bring about technical advancement, industrialization and upliftment of the people of Kashmir as it existed. But since there was no able leader to guide the masses, our dear neighbor, right from day one had only one thing in mind; annex Kashmir, no matter what happens to its people. Indifferent to the thought process of the kashmiri people, Pakistan has always welcomed leaders from kashmir who would talk of Kashmir’s accession to Pakistan. And these were the leaders who, unmindful of the sentiment of the masses, bought whatever their so called saviors had on offer; guns, bombs, mercenaries and the list is full of things which can only destroy a race and not do any good .
And talking of Pakistan’s leadership, they have nothing to offer to their own people even. Whenever there is unrest, crisis, elections, change of leadership (via coup), they start crying hoarse over Kashmir, diverting their masses’ attention to a non-issue. Kashmir has seen many a natural calamity like earthquakes, floods etc. but has our neighbor ever offered to help Kashmiris with food, blankets, tents and the like.
Its never too late. The dream the people of kashmir are chasing is not a far cry. If the leadership of Kashmir movement segregates itself from the terrorising antics and snaps its ties with the gun and bomb culture, it will be a proof enough to show the world, that our cause is genuine. Such a step will not only make the leaders of the world turn their heads this way, there will be mobilization of forces to assure help to a state in distress.
But for all this to happen, from amongst Kashmiris a Gandhi, a Mandela, or a Castro has to emerge. With current leadership the road leads nowhere.
You know omar you r a son of bastard and so was your bastard fathern you people have always deceived the kashmiris especially muslims.But there is the time to come when we kashmiris will cut you people in pieces and feed the dogs and get your bloody Sheikh abd.from that place and cleanse the kashmiri soil from this dirt.Actually you should change your names when you r not muslims why are you deceiving the people with muslim names
Reading nauseating opinions about someone is perhaps something that will have appeal for perverts only. The level of observations and remarks seems to be taking a nosedive hitting the rock-bottom of indescency or else how could some commentators go to the level of emptying all their contempt on Omar Abdullah though I am equally critical of some of his opinions and recent politically correct yet socially and morally stinking statements with regards to regional factor in politics of J&K state. But then it is equally repelling to see some people thirsting for the blood of this well-meaning politician who still has a long way to go. He lacks the depth and profundity of his grandfather and tactfulness and evasiveness of his father. His condition can be likened to the spider who weaves a net to trap unsustecting victims but due to wrong designing finds himself trapped in the selfsame web. That hardly justifies any vituperatives against him. All he has to do is rid himself of certain misguiding forces, think on his own and go forward accordance with his gut feelings. One remembers with admiration how successfully he worked as the Minister of State for External Affairs, GOI, in the NDA led government. That time he was away from regional politics and saw the things in national perspective. Right now he has to regain his poise and balance and leave behind the impression with the masses that he is the one who has everything the state of Jammu & Kashmir expects in its next prospective Chief Minister.
You fit all the criterion for India’s next Obama….don’t let us down…though I believe we had bigger leaders than obama in past.
but we desperately need one rite now.
I’m not a kasmiri/hindu/muslim